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The Jazz are going to make the Playoffs.

I just think that long term the Jazz will be better suited by having that lottery pick. I think they make the playoffs next year no matter what but I think they will be in a better position to win with that extra lottery pick. Not to mention 2-7 years from now.
 
Ridiculous. Okay, not quite ridiculous, but you never, ever hope against making the playoffs. I've seen too many teams start out with the mindset of building a contender through the lottery and then, five or six years later, they're still stuck in the lottery. Yes, the NBA is about skill, but it's also about confidence, luck and experience. It seems to me so many franchises get caught up in the cycle of missing the playoffs that, outside blockbuster deals, they never can fully pull out of it.

I don't want that with the Jazz. I want a franchise that's goal is not to draft in the lottery, even if only temporarily, but to make the playoffs, even if as an eighth seed. Yes, it's entirely possible the Jazz don't make the playoffs, grab that missing link in the draft and become an instant contender overnight. But we've seen how many draft busts over the years, specifically low lottery picks? How many teams fall to the lottery and never learn how to win, so they're constantly stuck drafting in the lotto? You know, franchises like Sacramento since '06, Minnesota since '04, Golden State since, well, pretty much ever (outside '07), the Clippers up until this season (and who knows where they'd be without Paul), Washington since '08, Charlotte for most their history, the Nets since '07 and other franchises that saw long playoff droughts at one point and time. I don't want to risk being that. Make the playoffs. Gain that experience because who knows what it'll mean for next season. But you get into this rut of missing the playoffs and soon, one season turns to two and two to three and three to five and five to ten. Before you know it, we're begging for a shot at the 8th seed.
 
carolinajazz said:
Stockton and Malone haven't been retired for that long, have they???
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Stockton and Malone owned the Spurs until Duncan rolled into town. Then San Antonio, outside 1998, instantly made Utah their bitch. It was a complete 180 from where the series had been prior to Duncan's arrival. I still remember abusing the Spurs in the '94, '96 and '98 playoffs. That last series, when Duncan was a rookie, was the last time Utah did anything of consequence against San Antonio. That was 14 years ago. So, not quite 20 - but the point is very well correct: Utah hasn't done anything against San Antonio in the lifetime of many of our own players.
 
Sean said:
Ridiculous. Okay, not quite ridiculous, but you never, ever hope against making the playoffs. I've seen too many teams start out with the mindset of building a contender through the lottery and then, five or six years later, they're still stuck in the lottery. Yes, the NBA is about skill, but it's also about confidence, luck and experience. It seems to me so many franchises get caught up in the cycle of missing the playoffs that, outside blockbuster deals, they never can fully pull out of it.

I don't want that with the Jazz. I want a franchise that's goal is not to draft in the lottery, even if only temporarily, but to make the playoffs, even if as an eighth seed. Yes, it's entirely possible the Jazz don't make the playoffs, grab that missing link in the draft and become an instant contender overnight. But we've seen how many draft busts over the years, specifically low lottery picks? How many teams fall to the lottery and never learn how to win, so they're constantly stuck drafting in the lotto. You know, franchises like Sacramento since '06, Minnesota since '04, Golden State since, well, pretty much ever (outside '07), the Clippers up until this season (and who knows where they'd be without Paul), Washington since '08, Charlotte for most their history, the Nets since '07 and other franchises that saw long playoff droughts at one point and time. I don't want to risk being that. Make the playoffs. Gain that experience because who knows what it'll mean for next season. But you get into this rut of missing the playoffs and soon, one season turns to two and two to three and three to five and five to ten. Before you know it, we're begging for a shot at the 8th seed.
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Wrong
 
Spurs play extremely well as a team. OKC has a bunch of young'uns who are more talented individually, but still a work in progress as a team. Both would be heavily favored, but ya never know come playoff time...
 
kwb said:
Jazz go into 3 OT's against a team on a back to back that previously played in OT. I don't know about you guys but I can't wait for the Jazz to make the playoffs and stun the Thunder.
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People over-hype the whole "They just recently played." Time and time again we have seen those teams that have just played put up tremendous effort and win(i.e. Atlanta). It's not farfetched at all. People are down on them, gives them even more drive.
 
sean's absolutely right, and for the record, devin harris agrees. he's been on both type of teams -- ubercompetitive deep playoff teams, and "oh let's just wait until next year, add another guy and THEN we'll be good" teams. that's why i think his opinion matters, and tony parks had a conversation with him monday at shootaround that i found extremely interesting. i wish parks had posted the audio, but instead i just heard him talking about it on the air.

the moral of the story: devin talked about how a playoff team has a completely different character. he said you can't even put a value of having been there. guys have a different moxy, even new guys that come to the team have a whole different take on winning because they are now members of a PLAYOFF TEAM. the identity changes for the team on the whole, to say nothing of the opportunities you give young guys to learn the nuances of postseason basketball.

devin has been stuck in the lottery hell sean is referring to... so if you don't trust me and you don't trust sean, trust harris.
 
We're gonna be wasted on national television instead of getting Kendall Marshall?! WHY DIDN'T ANYONE TELL ME!!!! LET'S DO THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
spycam1 said:
We're gonna be wasted on national television instead of getting Kendall Marshall?! WHY DIDN'T ANYONE TELL ME!!!! LET'S DO THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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kendall marshall isn't going to be around at 13/14 anyway, dude. our only chance at marshall is with the GS pick.

and there's value in making the playoffs that goes far beyond "getting wasted on national television." which was the whole point of my post, but feel free to ignore the point.
 
According to PKM there's actually a chance Marshall falls that far.

And what point am I missing? We're going to give playoff experience to some vets who won't be on the team in foreseeable future, while our young core (other than Hayward) gets 10mpg.
 
spycam1 said:
According to PKM there's actually a chance Marshall falls that far.

And what point am I missing? We're going to give playoff experience to some vets who won't be on the team in foreseeable future, while our young core (other than Hayward) gets 10mpg.
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i'm not talking about playoff experience for cj miles or josh howard. i'm talking about playoff experience for hayward (who, btw, plays 30 mpg this season and 40 mpg in april), favors and other guys who are feasibly going to be part of our core for years to come. i'm also talking about the jazz having the collective identity that "hey, we're a playoff team," which matters greatly, according to devin harris, a player who has been on teams that had that identity and on teams that didn't have it.

and no, marshall won't last until 14. he might not be a top 10 prospect, but in a draft that is extremely light on PGs, both he and lilliard will be gone before then.
 
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