The Jazz are trading D-Will to New Jersey!?
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I think we might've left on the wrong foot. JT, I'm Trout, and I approve of your post. I would really like to be friends.
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
No Guts. No Glory. No Deron.
He is healthy now and 3 years younger. Statistically, Okur is injured and is averaging 3 times less than Gerald. My point is, I wanted a trade to bring players to improve the team. Or stay pat and try to work something over the summer. But don't jump the gun and trade a superstar for OK players. And what's even more pathetic, as one sided as this trade was, we couldn't even dump Okur for Murphy as a part of it. If we at least got a young player, who is realizing the potential, but nowhere near Deron's value, like Lopez for instance. Someone who is worse than Deron, but already started realizing the potential to the point we can say, we really got a good young guy. Instead we got Favors, who has not realized any potential and is a scrub at this point. Even Denver, who literally had 2 days to get anything for Anthony got a pair of 22 year olds, who are already averaging 16 ppg. We did not get any proven young talent and had year and a half to trade Deron IF he refused extension.
Darkwing Duck
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What's a riggot?
This is the first time I have said this in a serious manner: Please delete your account.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
I agree.
I think we now know Deron was a huge part of the problem with Sloan. That the ultra-conservative Jazz FO traded him may indicate he either had quietly asked for a trade or everything he has said and done has them believing they had little chance of kepping him. It was a great move. We get Favors, who many wanted desperately in the draft. He'll eventually start at PF (I hope) and Millsap can go back to being "super-sub" and play balls-out for 25 mins/per. That's what is really missing, is that great production off the bench.
I'm still hoping one more move is coming...if the Jazz can get something for AK. It takes some pressure off. Now I think Utah can trade him for a good sub, some additional cap/tax relief and a mid-to-late 1st rounder. That would potentially give the Jazz 3 picks in the draft (provided they miss the playoffs).
What it means is that ultra conservative Jazz stayed ultra conservative: they preferred to have certainty of a draft pick, who is obligated to sign for 4 years vs uncertainty of keeping a superstar, who may or may not want to sign extension. Now, the Jazz did not show any balls here. On the contrary, they were true to their conservative selves, preferring to play it safe and have picks (which by the way may not be all that high in the draft), rather than a chance to keep a great player. And they didn't even want to take ANY chance to wait for a year, so they could offer Deron extension. They chose the safest route possible. Rotten safe thinking,which just ensured lottery for years to come.
Nets could have had Cousins, who is a true C, also freshman, and led his team to top 5 ranking, while putting up superior stats. Instead they chose Favors who did not lead his team anywhere and was basically a scrub by NCAA standards. But he was athletic, like Dark Milicic. Favors then followed up with scrub like performance in NBA for one of the worst teams in the League (while Cousins is actually putting up good numbers for his team). So, I am not sure who desperately wanted Favors, but certainly I wish Nets would have drafted Cousins instead, so we would actually have a young guy, who is already good now, rather than a scrub.
It's a long shot at this point. Millsap actually had a much better rookie year than Favors, but Favors is younger, so there is hope. Of course we could have just kept Deron and we would have had our 6th man next year when Okur recovers.
Why not just make that move you are talking about, get that 6th man with Okur next year, and keep Deron? Wouldn't that make us better than we are right now with a huge downgrade at PG and a 5ppg PF?
Nope. You keep assuming D-Will was going to resign. Jazz insiders indicate he wouldn't. The closer you wait til his contract is up, the less leverage you have. D-Will was leaving the Jazz. I suppose four potential lottery picks isn't good enough for you? Should the Jazz have traded D-Will for LeBron or Durant? Because getting what they did considering D-Will was leaving is close to being a steal when a superstar wants out.
If you think the Jazz got raped you clearly don't follow other player movement in the NBA (with the exception of the Gasol trade).
Good grief man. Favors is 19 years old. He can't improve?
Who is going to take Okur's contract? The guy is walking wounded.
Also, with D-Will around their was a power struggle between him and Corbin. Now there won't be.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
And we had two with Boozer and Millsap. Jazz need depth. They need rebounding. Millsap is best off the bench and that may very well happen over the next couple of seasons. Nobody is gone to give up a superstar for Deron. You generally get a couple of starters or good prospects and draft picks (that's what the Knicks gave up for 'Melo). This was a pretty good outcome if the Jazz FO thought Deron was not going to re-sign and/or he's been a real problem in the lockerroom.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Nor did Bozzer. Dwill never said he wanted to STAY in Utah. He has always been non-commital. His last statement may have been the most telling and tipped the scales. If I were paying a guy MAX money, I'd ayt least want him to say something along the lines of: "I want to win. I want a championship. The Jazz have not been playing well this season, but I have confidence we'll re-group and the team and management will do what it takes to make us a contender."