The Jazz, David Lee, and Golden State

[Handlogten's Heros]

lol. This is classic. So you'd keep a #12 pick over Barnes? You do realize that when you draft at #12, you are hoping that your pick is half the player Barnes is. But, you value that pick more?

Ever heard of the phrase, "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"?

Barnes would be our best three point shooter. He can be our stretch 4. He can start at SF, push Hayward to the SG spot. He works great in this offense. Barnes is everything we hope Hood can become. He would be our wet dream if we picked him at 12.

Yet you value the pick over a known quantity?

Uhhhh. Ok.

I bet you were against trading Kanter for Harden as well. lol. That turned out well.

Have you ever watched Barnes or are you still going off his HS hype?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Why would we have to match salary? This trade would put our salary up to 67 million, just under the cap. I could be wrong, and if I am there are very easy ways to work around this, such as make the trade 1 week later and pick for GS. That being said, this trade makes sense and would explain why there were rumors of Lee coming to Utah.

Timing... Can't be done before July 1st because that is when our cap space opens... Draft is late June.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Giving up THREE significant assets in the #12 pick, Burke AND our cap space in order to shore up our deepest position with Barnes and get a 1yr rental in Lee? Seriously is Harrison an all-star worth all that? Hood can be every bit the shooter. If we want to spend money on another wing why not just get Danny Green? Look at his regular season shooting percentage. AND we'd still have the #12 to get a young big, Burke to be a backup or future piece.

Btw, if you've used up all our cap space by taking on Lee how do you sign a veteran PG? Maybe JL III would be available for the vet minimum

 

[green]

You know 15 is average PER right? 13 seems about meh to me. Barnes is okay i just don't see why we'd overpay for him. Either we give the pick for him or we take on lees ****ty contract and Barnes is the sweetener. Barnes plays on a team where he is getting wide open looks because Steph and Klay get a ton of attention. Decent defender but not great. He is only cheap for one more year and hits free agency as the cap skyrockets... So someone will overpay for him so it does kind of screw with our cap. I'd rather have hood or burks start... I think both guys are better players than him.

Lee is so terrible on defense... Kanteresque even. If we took him on we have no other meaningful FA dollars. Tomic would have been relatively cheap.

Then we add the pick... These picks are super valuable because if you get a contributor they are incredibly cheap... These picks are even more valuable with the rising cap. It is a big overpay IMO. If we really like Lee and Barnes we can get them much cheaper.

Lee is an afterthought. Lee only plays if Favors or Gobert gets hurt. What other big would sign with us this year? Tomic would not have been cheap. To get him over here, we would have to offer 6-7 million per year just to match what he is getting paid over there. To really get him out here, we are talking 8 per year for three years. Lee is 15 for one year. Lee is a known quantity. Tomic is not.

Picks are way over-rated. Big time. Saric, Adams, Lamb, Burks, Henry, Henderson, Jason Thompson, Young, Hilton Armstrong, Korolev, Swift, Collision, Ely, Radmonivic, Etan Thomas.

Those are your #12 picks this century. Name me one of those guys you would pick over Barnes.

If you can get Barnes for the #12, even if it means eating money for only one year, you do it. Especially when you have Favors and Gobert, and they need outside shooters.

Name me one player the Jazz can pick up for 4 million this offseason who shoots 40% from three. Then name me one player the Jazz can get for 4 million in FA who can play the PF spot and shoot 40% from three.

Any smart person does this deal. Barnes and Lee for Burke and the pick.

No brainer.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I've just never watched Barnes and thought... If we had that guy we'd be great. It's more like... Is Harrison Barnes even playing tonight?

 

[green]

Giving up THREE significant assets in the #12 pick, Burke AND our cap space in order to shore up our deepest position with Barnes and get a 1yr rental in Lee? Seriously is Harrison an all-star worth all that? Hood can be every bit the shooter. If we want to spend money on another wing why not just get Danny Green? Look at his regular season shooting percentage. AND we'd still have the #12 to get a young big, Burke to be a backup or future piece.

Btw, if you've used up all our cap space by taking on Lee how do you sign a veteran PG? Maybe JL III would be available for the vet minimum ��

Exception to be used for the PG.

 

[green]

The point is that you should keep BOTH the pick and Burke in such a trade. The price for taking Lee's contract is Barnes(and Lowe suggests it). If you send Burke their way he would have some marginal cost, too... thus them having to add a pick.

That's fine. GS sends back a future protected pick.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I feel like we've helped those guys enough. Granted, that team falls apart the minute either Curry or Bogut get hurt.

The GS'17 pick is unprotected. Jazz aren't giving it back. They'd be owed more if they're going to absorb Lee.

The question the Jazz have to ask themselves: do they want to pay Barnes in a year?

 

[green]

I've just never watched Barnes and thought... If we had that guy we'd be great. It's more like... Is Harrison Barnes even playing tonight?

I've seen what Snyder has done with DeMare Carroll, Paul Millsap, Gobert, Exum, Favors, Hayward. Give him talent like Barnes...I'm drooling. That's why I'd send a pick and Burke. Look at Carroll. Carroll went from DL guy to gonna make a lot of money this summer after working with Snyder (who Carroll has credited). Look at Paul incorporating the three point shot into his game.

You guys drool over the potential of a crappy 12 pick. I drool over the potential of a guy that shoots 40% from three, can play some PF, and is only 4 million a year. Plus I rid myself of Burke in the process and give him to the best team? Uh, yes please.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Lee is an afterthought. Lee only plays if Favors or Gobert gets hurt. What other big would sign with us this year? Tomic would not have been cheap. To get him over here, we would have to offer 6-7 million per year just to match what he is getting paid over there. To really get him out here, we are talking 8 per year for three years. Lee is 15 for one year. Lee is a known quantity. Tomic is not.

Picks are way over-rated. Big time. Saric, Adams, Lamb, Burks, Henry, Henderson, Jason Thompson, Young, Hilton Armstrong, Korolev, Swift, Collision, Ely, Radmonivic, Etan Thomas.

Those are your #12 picks this century. Name me one of those guys you would pick over Barnes.

If you can get Barnes for the #12, even if it means eating money for only one year, you do it. Especially when you have Favors and Gobert, and they need outside shooters.

Name me one player the Jazz can pick up for 4 million this offseason who shoots 40% from three. Then name me one player the Jazz can get for 4 million in FA who can play the PF spot and shoot 40% from three.

Any smart person does this deal. Barnes and Lee for Burke and the pick.

No brainer.

I'd take saric, adams, and burks over him. Lee is a 15 M afterthought? If that's the case lets remove him from the trade... Since he's just an afterthought. Hood shot 40% from 3 after the break and so did Ingles and both of those guys can dribble and pass. Barnes doesn't create he has to be setup. Also he is 4M next year but will be more after that. Do I think we could sign someone for 10 M per year this offseason that shoots 40% from 3... On more than a paltry 2.6 attempts? I think I could. We'd then have additional cap space and Burke and the 12.

Also any smart guy would know how the trade rules work.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Exception to be used for the PG.

The exception we'd have is 2.6M. We going to get a quality PG for that much?

This is a no brainier in the opposite direction. It's terrible value for Utah. Barnes is good but not all-star talent. Give me 25 mins of Hood at $2M over Barnes at a first year cost of 19m...counting the Lee salary dump PLUS the loss of the other assets. We already have 3 wings who shot 36% or better on their 3's. And ALL of them are playmakers.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

That's fine. GS sends back a future protected pick.

That's a different trade than you suggested, and one id be fine with. My whole point is why would we overpay in that deal by so much.

If we end up with a pick instead of giving a lotto pick and keep Burke then sure see what Barnes has to offer. I still think he's really quite average.