The lunatics have taken over

[Stoked]

I think you're being generous. A circle requires no interpretation. It is flat. So it is the OPPOSITE of what CJ is saying. What the Bible actually SAYS, is that the Earth is flat. The reinterpretation makes it into a sphere. It is NOT what is ACTUALLY says. This is specially the case since many people thought the Earth was a flat circle. They could see that all other objects in the sky are circular.

He is being generous but you are being equally ungenerous. It is unarguable that people taught that the earth is a flat circle.

But Howards is saying that the Bible could have been trying to say it's a sphere regardless of how people took it. It's certainly possible imo.

So...maybe...but no one will every really know.

 

[Siro]

He is being generous but you are being equally ungenerous. It is unarguable that people taught that the earth is a flat circle.

But Howards is saying that the Bible could have been trying to say it's a sphere regardless of how people took it. It's certainly possible imo.

So...maybe...but no one will every really know.

You're completely missing the point. I have zero interest in engaging with people who will reinterpret things any way they want because they already believe it on faith. So what anyone thinks the Bible REALLY means is no concern of mine.

What is important is that some people taught the Earth was a circle, while others said a sphere (the Greeks thought it was a sphere 2600 years ago). Which one is WRITTEN in the Bible? The circle. So CJ's argument is already disproven since he said that it's about what is actually written, and not what is interpreted.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I think you're being generous. A circle requires no interpretation. It is flat. So it is the OPPOSITE of what CJ is saying. What the Bible actually SAYS, is that the Earth is flat. The reinterpretation makes it into a sphere. It is NOT what is ACTUALLY says. This is specially the case since many people thought the Earth was a flat circle. They could see that all other objects in the sky are circular.

I am being generous. I read a website that claimed that the Latin word for circle was the same as the word for sphere. I actually doubt that's accurate because it's not as if the Latin's were clueless about math, but my ultimate point is that religions are going to find a ways to reinterpret their sacred documents whenever they are forced to.

Using the Mormon religion as an example, am I the only one who doesn't think it is coincidental that polygamy was banned and blacks were given the priesthood both by divine revelations which just happened to arrive at the same time political pressure regarding the church's former positions was becoming overwhelming? It sure was fortunate that God stepped in and settled the debate like that! He seems like a really good guy.

Anybody want to set an over/under on when a revelation arrives regarding homosexuality?

 

[Siro]

I am being generous. I read a website that claimed that the Latin word for circle was the same as the word for sphere. I actually doubt that's accurate because it's not as if the Latin's were clueless about math, but my ultimate point is that religions are going to find a ways to reinterpret their sacred documents whenever they are forced to.

Using the Mormon religion as an example, am I the only one who doesn't think it is coincidental that polygamy was banned and blacks were given the priesthood both by divine revelations which just happened to arrive at the same time political pressure regarding the church's former positions was becoming overwhelming? It sure was fortunate that God stepped in and settled the debate like that! He seems like a really good guy.

Anybody want to set an over/under on when a revelation arrives regarding homosexuality?

The Bible is written in Greek (and Hebrew). Since it was the Greeks who argued the Earth was a sphere and NOT a circle, they of course knew the difference. That section was written in Hebrew, who also knew the difference since they were humans with a human brain.

Here's page on the meaning of the words in Hebrew from a Christian theology website (hint, it unequivocally means a flat circle):

https://www.crivoice.org/circle.html

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

The Bible is written in Greek (and Hebrew). Since it was the Greeks who argued the Earth was a sphere and NOT a circle, they of course knew the difference. That section was written in Hebrew, who also knew the difference since they were humans with a human brain.

Here's page on the meaning of the words in Hebrew from a Christian theology website (hint, it unequivocally means a flat circle):

https://www.crivoice.org/circle.html

You're right. Here's the link I read before making my earlier post (https://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c015.html). I was wrong when I mentioned Latin, the website claims that the Hebrew word for circle and sphere (and round) are the same. I still doubt that's true.

 

[Siro]

You're right. Here's the link I read before making my earlier post (https://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c015.html). I was wrong when I mentioned Latin, the website claims that the Hebrew word for circle and sphere (and round) are the same. I still doubt that's true.

Yep, read the link I gave you. The Bible is clear about the Earth being a circle covered by the dome of Heaven. A dome, incidentally, is a semi-spherical object.

Edit: It is important to note that the site is written by Christians who aren't nitwit literalists.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

The article linked to below does an excellent job of demonstrating that the Hebrew word used in the bible to describe the shape of the earth was not referring to a sphere. It was referring to a flat circle like a coin. Furthermore, as I had suspected, the Hebrew words for circle and sphere are not the same.

https://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/2014/08/does-hebrew-word-chuwg-mean-flat-circle.html

Sorry CJ, you lose again.

 

[Stoked]

You're completely missing the point. I have zero interest in engaging with people who will reinterpret things any way they want because they already believe it on faith. So what anyone thinks the Bible REALLY means is no concern of mine.

What is important is that some people taught the Earth was a circle, while others said a sphere (the Greeks thought it was a sphere 2600 years ago). Which one is WRITTEN in the Bible? The circle. So CJ's argument is already disproven since he said that it's about what is actually written, and not what is interpreted.

If this is all you got from my post I did a spectacular job at failing to get my point across.

I am not coming in on CJs side at all. I am saying Howard has a point, as do you. You are right that circle is written. No contest.

Howard is right that the bible may he meant that in the spherical sense.

I am just saying your hard stance is as equally uncharitable and Joe's might be charitable. From what I understand, you take the bible saying circle as uncontestable proof that it meant a flat circle. I think it is possible that it meant it the other way. All I am saying.

Carry on.

 

[Stoked]

The article linked to below does an excellent job of demonstrating that the Hebrew word used in the bible to describe the shape of the earth was not referring to a sphere. It was referring to a flat circle like a coin. Furthermore, as I had suspected, the Hebrew words for circle and sphere are not the same.

https://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/2014/08/does-hebrew-word-chuwg-mean-flat-circle.html

Sorry CJ, you lose again.

Well this is sure hard to argue and supports Siro as well.

 

[Siro]

If this is all you got from my post I did a spectacular job at failing to get my point across.

I am not coming in on CJs side at all. I am saying Howard has a point, as do you. You are right that circle is written. No contest.

Howard is right that the bible may he meant that in the spherical sense.

I am just saying your hard stance is as equally uncharitable and Joe's might be charitable. From what I understand, you take the bible saying circle as uncontestable proof that it meant a flat circle. I think it is possible that it meant it the other way. All I am saying.

Carry on.

There is nothing uncharitable about saying the word circle means circle unless you interpret it to mean something else. It is a simple fact. Again, I don't care much about Christian apologetics. Howard is free to think that a circle actually means a sphere. I couldn't care less. This whole response is about CJ's idiotic idea that the Bible is correct to the letter, without any need for interpretation.

 

[carolinajazz]

I think you're being generous. A circle requires no interpretation. It is flat. So it is the OPPOSITE of what CJ is saying. What the Bible actually SAYS, is that the Earth is flat. The reinterpretation makes it into a sphere. It is NOT what is ACTUALLY says. This is specially the case since many people thought the Earth was a flat circle. They could see that all other objects in the sky are circular.

I CAN'T BELIEVE IT! Never in my wildest dreams did I think that you college pseudo-intellectuals would take issue with the statement in the Bible that the earth being a "circle" could be interpreted as being a "flat" sphere!?!? But at least Siro correctly made the observation.... that all humans would have made....that it wasn't "flat" by looking at the Moon and Sun! But I understand what I'm up against! Those who attend college are completely and totally brain washed into questioning EVERYTHING and not believing in ABSOLUTE "truths!" 2+2 is not "necessarily" 4....nor is a glass of water actually a glass of water, and looking out at the Moon and Sun your seeing a "flat" pancake circle!

 

[carolinajazz]

This whole response is about CJ's idiotic idea that the Bible is correct to the letter, without any need for interpretation.

...the Bible is correct to the letter but that doesn't mean some verses don't need to be "interpreted" by using OTHER verses to give clarification! Illustrations to follow!