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The official: We are sick of this **** thread.

Joncolton said:
The good news (I guess) for the Jazz is - if we REALLY want Derrick Favors or Jae Crowder back, they are both free agents this summer.
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We don't have the money to bring both of them back unless somehow we get rid of Exum or Conley
 
Remember when our team was actually fun to watch?



BTW, Rubio threw the lob exceptionally well. Can Conley throw the lob? That seems to be missing a bit this year.
 
So here's the thing. To anyone saying Donovan is shooting too much I don't think you're right. I think Donovan needs to shoot just as much as he, he just needs to shoot better shots. I think his leadership has really been bad over the past few games specifically but this season overall. I've seen him point fingers on mis-steps that were his fault several times, seen him visibly frustrated on the court way too much. He gives the look of him just "being over it" way too much when things get tough. Tony Jones mentioned on ESPN 700 today that Donovan took the Laker game very hard and was basically sitting in the locker room with his head down and Jeff Green went over to him and talked to him. Sorry Don, you're supposed to be the solid guy in the locker room. I get there's a lot of vets in there but he's the franchise guy, he can't be the guy being over-emotional or obviously drained over a tough stretch or loss. Tony also mentioned on twitter an hour after that Laker game he was still in his game uniform sitting in the locker room. Like great, you care deeply, but you gotta channel that energy to be a great leader.

Donovan is also 23, very young in his NBA career and extremely talented. Maybe this was too much too soon on him to expect him as a 13th draft pick to take us to title contention in his 3rd season. I don't know, I just know Donovans body language and leadership as the best offensive player and face of the franchise hasn't been great lately. I love the kid, and this isn't to say we should expect this exactly from him because Dame is much farther in his NBA career right now, but the Blazers have been struggling big time, more than us even. They also had some high hopes heading into this season. He's struggled in games, he's been great and his teams struggled. Whiteside has been pretty bad at moments. I've seen his teammates make horrible decisions in those games. I've yet to see him point a finger, get down, look miserable, look beaten once. He takes it on the chin, and he never gets too up in the wins, or low in the losses, and Portland has had some bad losses. As a leader you have to be a rock, Donovans emotions have been very effected in some of these games and it's not great but will for sure get better as he progresses in his career. Idk, face of your franchise has to be a rock, and while I think Rudy is part of that Donovans gotta relax a bit. It may not work out as great as we all hoped, that's part of the journey.


Now I have a question.......if this trend continues into February and it's obvious you aren't contending for a title.....how do you feel about the lever of trading Rudy? Bogey, Joe...whoever and just starting over focusing on getting assets and preparing for Donovans prime? Just emptying it out, getting a couple draft picks in the process, tanking it out for a couple years and really basing the future solely off Donovan's prime that is probably a couple seasons away? Donovan will be with us likely until 2025-26. If we can't contend, you can pull that lever now, and have a chance to be good in about 3 seasons if you can get some draft picks back. Idk, there are times I look at it and just feel like maybe that's the best option. Obviously thats a last resort emergency lever but I think it's something to consider.
 
I feel we have really backed ourselves into a corner. If we start trading players we're never going to get true value back. Rudy is underrated in what he does. Bogey, Joe and Conley are on the wrong side of thirty and everyone else is driving their value down by the game. I'm not sure we could do a fast enough reset to keep Donovan interested in staying here. We have to make a couple of tweaks and pray for the best.
 
SoUjazzfan said:
I feel we have really backed ourselves into a corner. If we start trading players we're never going to get true value back. Rudy is underrated in what he does. Bogey, Joe and Conley are on the wrong side of thirty and everyone else is driving their value down by the game. I'm not sure we could do a fast enough reset to keep Donovan interested in staying here. We have to make a couple of tweaks and pray for the best.
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You have like 5-6 year timeline if you pull that lever now if they aren’t close....if you don’t? But yeah you’d have to pull that lever this February and just get it going.
 
I think the main issue we're having is that guys like Mudiay, Ed Davis and Georges Niang are sub-par players. They just aren't very good. Jeff Green is also flakey, but that's always been the case with him. Put two or three of these guys on the floor together, and the Jazz are at a serious talent disadvantage.
 
One thing I will say is, with the bench in total disarray, this is a chance for guys like Brantley. He needs to follow the Royce blueprint and take every chance he gets. As far as I'm concerned, at least 3 bench spots are up for grabs. Green, Niang, Mudiay. 4 when you consider that Bradley should play over Ed.

Brantley would fit in two of those spots.
 
Seriously Jarrell Brantley is a 6'7" SF with a 7'1' wingspan, who is built like a brick outhouse, and averaging 17.7 ppg in the g-league, to go with his 7 boards, TS% of 64%, 1.8 steals, 0.8 blocks, and 3.6 apg. He is looking to prove himself in the NBA. He even makes the yellow jerseys look good.

On the other hand, he played 4 minutes last night and did nothing during that time. So, who knows?
 
Our bench is just awful. Even when company shill Locke says they aren't playing hard that is really bad. Why not give the young pups a chance? What's the worst that can happen?
 
homeytennis said:
Our bench is just awful. Even when company shill Locke says they aren't playing hard that is really bad. Why not give the young pups a chance? What's the worst that can happen?
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I like how he rails on about we can’t spend time developing Dante coz we’re tryig to win. Yet Mudiay is allowed to play thru all manner of garbage.
 
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