SoberasHotRod
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Just like most prospects in this draft, Williams requires some imagination, but I think he's as good of a gamble as almost anyone.
The Official We Must Draft Cody Williams Thread!
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Cody Williams the consistent playmaker having a 10% assist rate w/ a 17.2% TOV rate is still the funniest ****. On a team with a good amount of offensive talent.
So Cody has a:
+10% FG%
+7% 2P%
+8% 3FG% (https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jarrett-culver-1.html)
+7% FT%
You can't really argue that Cody and Jarrett are comparable shooters. You might be able to argue that Culver had very high usage that may have affected his percentages.
Also, I don't see how you can just ignore Culver's soph stats, which were a drop-off from his freshman year. LOL. Culver shot 30% from 3P as a soph.
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Just comparing across the board as freshman. Culver had slightly lower percentages, but he did more with the ball and took more risk. He wasnt as shy to shoot. Cody just hunts efficiency off easy shots he got in Colorado's offense around good players like Simpson and De Silva.
If Cody stayed and his role increased around a worse team, he would probably exerpience the same efficiency drop that Culver did.
Still, address calling him a consistent playmaker when he is 6th in assist on his team and averages more turnovers than assist.
Tom Pitt
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Lonzo and LaMelo were both gonna be really good if no injuries... which also btw is telling. a genetic factor probably to be more prone to injuries. so if there was a 4th ball brother who had lots of Buzz, I'd be weary
Tom Pitt
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Well like I said, if his floor is 7th man on a good team, that is value no doubt. And I think Lamelo and Lonzo could have been Allstars if health wasn't an issue. But yeah I get what you mean... small sample size regardless. It's a fair point. Lopez brothers (1 Allstar), 3 Holidays (1 all star), Millsap brothers (1 Allstar). But what about brothers where there is no Allstar but they have very similar careers? perhaps what we can extrapolate from that is that brothers can replicate similar results (Plumlees, Sellers, Jaron and Jason Collins, etc)
Also, since you share 50% DNA match with parents as you do with siblings, any father son examples we can draw from where both had similar comparable impact on winning?
Micheal Thompson/ Klay Thompson is the best example I can think of, but Micheal couldn't shoot right? haha
Bill Walton/Luke Walton
Steph Curry/Dell Curry
Rick Barry/ Brent Barry (umm... maybe considering eras Brent Barry would be a legend had he played in the 60's. Also Jon Barry played pro)
Kobe Bryant/ and Joe Jelly Bean Bryant
Well hell all these not necessarily helping my case if the goal is nabbing at least a fringe Allstar, but again if I am confident Cody Williams would have a 10+ year career and be a winning player playing 20 mins a night, I'd be open to it at #8.
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HeatCheck
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If Cody is sitting there at #8 I'm fine if the Jazz pick him based on his archetype alone.
If they luck out and get the #1 pick I'm taking Sarr.
If they luck out but end up in the top 4 I'm probably taking BPA who I believe is Sheppard even if it means potentially trading Keyonte for other assets.
If they luck out and get the #1 pick I'm taking Sarr.
If they luck out but end up in the top 4 I'm probably taking BPA who I believe is Sheppard even if it means potentially trading Keyonte for other assets.
That was after his injury. Earlier in the season, he was a starter and a lead ball handler. That's why in December/January he was talked about as a top-4 pick.
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I think Risacher + Buzelis + Williams are a fair debate at this point. Risacher didn't show anything new in the 2nd half of his season, and his shooting/finishing regressed. Buzelis started playing more assertively overall, but his outside shooting never clicked.
With Cody, if he can improve his physicality his game could really open up. He's at an age now where that should start happening.
With Cody, if he can improve his physicality his game could really open up. He's at an age now where that should start happening.
The NBA is just made for guys who are long, can self-create and can get downhill--even more so these days with the spacing teams are able to create. Siakam made one 3 (1/4), missed half his FTs (5/10) and finished with 36/13. Meanwhile, Dame needed to shoot his *** off to finish with 35.
View: https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1782219935927984363
View: https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1782219935927984363
Cody Williams came off the bench because he struggled trying to play through injuries. Some you guys are putting way too much emphasis on his end of season compared to the first half of the season when he was actually healthy. If we end up taking him at 8 then we should all be very happy because he is going to be a really good player. I don't know if he is going to be a star like his brother but I'm confident he can be a Cam Johnson caliber of player. He wasn't a high volume 3pt shooter at Coloroado but I think he progresses to that type of player pretty quickly.
HermanG
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Weird to champion a guy who had the worst BPM of all their starters in a blowout playoff loss.
@Ferguson_Mellochill , give me a good game of Williams that showcases the best his case as an NBA prospect. I want to see what I missed on when watching his play in the tournament.
To me the things to like about Williams are very similar to Jaden McD. He can create his own shiot, but you don't really want him to. He's not a liability on offense but not really a plus.
SoberasHotRod
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I think he's so long and so young that the fact he can do some ball handling and seems to have some touch, you just hope that he continues to improve into something more. You can't plan on that though, and if all he turns in to is a very long defender who doesn't hurt your offense, then that is still a good player.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5yjpOIGFAk
This game shows Williams' length and mobility on the perimeter as a defender, prior to his injuries this year. This is what I'd expect his mobility to look like. There are some good defensive reps here, both out on guards and on forwards in the post. His defensive awareness looks okay, not stellar, but he makes rotations and gets out to contest shooters. He gets a couple deflections (e.g., 0:33). Smaller, quicker guards can get ahead of him and force him to trail, which isn't great. Williams will need to get in a better stance and do a better job of staying in front.
The other flashes you'll see here show Wiliams' ability to pass over the top of defenders. For example, he has a nice sequence out of screen/roll at 0:49, hitting his cutter in rhythm. Cody's length lets him see and deliver passes over the top, which is always appealing for setting up bigs.
Offensively, this doesn't have a whole lot of makes, but there's a nice cut to the baseline for an and-1 at 1:23, he relocates and hits a 3 starting at 1:38, he has a nice drive and left-hand finish over a wing-sized defender at 1:57. He has another drive that he short-arms a couple sequences later. He's able to finish above the rim at this stage if he has some space (see the run-out at 3:09). You can see he knows how to use his length to put pressure on the rim and make defenders react to him. He has hard drive and kick-out at 3:16 where defenders collapse on him and leave a shooter.
In the 2nd half of this game, Washington starts to put bigger defenders on Williams and really body him. Cody gets a bit rattled, but he's able to kick out to open shooters and make a few finishes. He gets a step-back 3 to fall at the very end.
You can see he's able to process the game and put some nice play sequences together. At the same time, he's still physically pretty underdeveloped. He should be able to add strength to his frame and become more impactful as a result.
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Tbh, I think naming a player who had a good game in a playoff game is as dumb as the brother argument haha. Like what if Pascal had a bad game, is Cody Williams a bad prospect? Why does Cody = Siakam anyways? Doesn't make sense to me.
I want to like Williams, but when the arguments for him are this odd....it's hard for be to buy in.
I want to like Williams, but when the arguments for him are this odd....it's hard for be to buy in.