THe Psyche Of The White American Male

[Dr. Jones]

my theory - after zero seconds of internet research

it has something to do with what's in our fertilizer...
perhaps it all boils down to all the antibiotics that are fed to the animals
wonder if there is anything similar in China - since much of our fertilizer is exported there

but a few seconds of search found this interesting New Yorker article on gluten and gluten insensitivity (from about a year ago)
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/11/03/grain

It's a hybrid wheat. About 100 years ago, iirc, a super wheat was created and that's when the problems started.

Also, everything is just more discussed and communicated today than centuries or even decades ago. Durr

 

[Deleted member 848]

It depends how sensitive you are Peeks, but if you're craving wheat again at any point-- some families have no problems digesting spelt (or ferro as its sometimes called), and Kamut. Both have gluten, but less than traditional wheat crops.

You'll notice when making bread, and pastries with it. It sucks using their flour. Haha.

Also, sometimes yeast causes problems too (particularly with sinuses). If it comes back, think of that as well.


(Also, both aforementioned grains are as old as human civilization itself. Kamut has a cool story)

 

[Dr. Jones]

Howard will point and laugh, and not understand-- but he's lucky that he grew up rurally. If he lived in a clean environment, and didn't have prominent, significant pesticide exposure growing up Im willing to bet that he has no allergies or chronic health problems (different case if he did have that exposure).


The proof is already out there. People have been sequencing the microbiomes of Amish communities in comparison to those living in urban areas. Their kids, playing with dirt and being in the outdoors a ton has resulted in WAY lower susceptibilities in autoimmune conditions across the board.

I went to Kosovo in summer 2014, and asked around to see if anyone knew anybody with gluten sensitivities. Maybe like 80-100 people. Not a single person even knew what gluten was-- and quipped "Dalamon-- people would die here if they couldn't digest wheat". It can't be genetics-- my little brother is 100% Albanian and has gluten sensitivities. No parent on either side has relatives with it.

Another reason why this whole environment debate ****ing matters.

Dig a little deeper. The gluten we are eating is different than the gluten they are eating. Betcha.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Dig a little deeper. The gluten we are eating is different than the gluten they are eating. Betcha.

Even so-- many will use and grow it, and they're still fine. Conversely, some will be triggered even with the 4000 year old Kamut.


It's a toxicant thing if I had to bet. Didn't you see that article talking about how DuPont's one chemical could be found in the water system of like every region across the United States? And that's for one chemical in the 70s.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Even so-- many will use and grow it, and they're still fine. Conversely, some will be triggered even with the 4000 year old Kamut.


It's a toxicant thing if I had to bet. Didn't you see that article talking about how DuPont's one chemical could be found in the water system of like every region across the United States? And that's for one chemical in the 70s.

Yes, I did.

Also, I am only saying I believe it's more prevalent today because of engineering the super-wheat into something less natural than God had intended.

I believe there is some merit to the hotly controversial "leaky gut" theory. In just the past couple years I have become allergic to foods and I had never had ANY allergic reactions to any food or meds.

 

[RandyForRubio]

what is it with gluten (and other allergies) these days - - folks have been eating gluten (and peanuts, for example) for centuries - - why are people suddenly having all these problems because of it?

is there something different about "modern" gluten - - or the modern diet in general (yes, most likely...)
but in that case, wouldn't there be similar results in other developed countries? Or is American gluten different somehow?

Millers wanted more gluten in wheat as they feel it makes a better bread. Wheat breeders developed wheat varieties that did this. There's a lot more gluten in wheat now (I don't have the specific numbers, sorry Roach). Our bodies are still adjusting to this, leading to allergies.

That's my synopsis of it.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Howard will point and laugh, and not understand-- but he's lucky that he grew up rurally. If he lived in a clean environment, and didn't have prominent, significant pesticide exposure growing up Im willing to bet that he has no allergies or chronic health problems (different case if he did have that exposure).


The proof is already out there. People have been sequencing the microbiomes of Amish communities in comparison to those living in urban areas. Their kids, playing with dirt and being in the outdoors a ton has resulted in WAY lower susceptibilities in autoimmune conditions across the board.

I went to Kosovo in summer 2014, and asked around to see if anyone knew anybody with gluten sensitivities. Maybe like 80-100 people. Not a single person even knew what gluten was-- and quipped "Dalamon-- people would die here if they couldn't digest wheat". It can't be genetics-- my little brother is 100% Albanian and has gluten sensitivities. No parent on either side has relatives with it.

Another reason why this whole environment debate ****ing matters.

Is there a reason for the insult? Just curious. You never used to post like that. It's highly disappointing.

 

[Miggs]

I'm not 45 years old yet (couple more years).
Actually, there is a very sound scientific reason one may develop allergic reactions to gluten over time.

And I will always outmatch and outclass your *** until the day I'm dead.

Um, no.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Fwiw, I don't have allergies, pretty darn healthy except for my joints, and I've had quite a bit of exposure to pesticides. Far more than the average human. I don't disagree with your sentiment though Dala. People eat too much crap, especially processed stuff. I just think you have a certain bias, and you're going to see things through that lense. Everybody else does that too though, including myself.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Is there a reason for the insult? Just curious. You never used to post like that. It's highly disappointing.

really didn't mean to insult-- it just seemed like you were gonna pile in on posters who avoid gluten consumption. I know a lot of people who do, and it's tiresome. I'll be nicer!

 

[Deleted member 848]

Fwiw, I don't have allergies, pretty darn healthy except for my joints, and I've had quite a bit of exposure to pesticides. Far more than the average human. I don't disagree with your sentiment though Dala. People eat too much crap, especially processed stuff. I just think you have a certain bias, and you're going to see things through that lense. Everybody else does that too though, including myself.

i don't doubt it. Again, it comes down to cumulating and genetics. Different people have different susceptibilities to different things. If you had pesticide exposure, genetic susceptibility, AND a ton of oil refineries nearby, then I really think you'd be pretty unhealthy. There's a ton of refineries east of my city and the municipalities in the area have the highest asthma rates in Canada.

 

[RandyForRubio]

really didn't mean to insult-- it just seemed like you were gonna pile in on posters who avoid gluten consumption. I know a lot of people who do, and it's tiresome. I'll be nicer!

Naw. My mom doesn't eat it. Works for her. She hates doing it, but it's better than migraines.