I see no point in comparing this current teams offense to last yeats. Last year was Big Al ball and he is no longer here. The entire flow will change.
What starting 5 do you feel will give the Jazz the best chance at getting an offensive flow going?
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I see no point in comparing this current teams offense to last yeats. Last year was Big Al ball and he is no longer here. The entire flow will change.
What starting 5 do you feel will give the Jazz the best chance at getting an offensive flow going?
framer
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It takes pressure of off Burke because he doesn't need to become a deadly 3 point shooter right away. He can concentrate on becoming a facilitator just like you want. Also, having a player who is a threat from the left corner opens up the court even if that player never takes a shot from there. You can't leave Rush open from there. Burks? I'm sagging toward the post as a defender after forcing him left. Most NBA benches don't have somebody who can do that with Burkes so he can still thrive as a sparkplug.
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franklin has been dominating lately. Man.... it makes me miss the days when we all deserved the regular company of vslice, GVC, NUMBERICA, and this more analytically engaged frank.
I've said this before, but here it goes again: these floor-stretching wetdreams you all are having are predicated on a ball handler who can put tons of pressure on the defense by himself; he's gotta get north to south AT WILL. Burks has great potential here. Burke has PLENTY of question marks... and will probably need a screen to do his best work.
Oh, but, yeah, he would definitely not start.
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There's always some benefit that can be gleaned from comparison. I don't think the flow will be as different as you think. I fully expect a post-heavy offense. The hope is that Kanter can do work from multiple spots, make faster decisions, make better passes, and score more efficiently. And play better defense. Al sucked, but the blueprint won't be discarded.
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I just edited my post above to include this info... but, here again:
I'm not confident that he'll get north to south without a screen to free him up. That's fine, but I'm intrigued by the idea of having Burks out there for the transition game. I want to see -- FINALLY -- what his iso skills are. I want to see him attack.... let Hay, Burke, and Enes spread the floor.
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I'm not overly confident in his ability to spread the floor. What about some pairings of Hayward, Burks and Rush in limited minutes. That is enough ball handling. Lots of shooting and an ability to slash.
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I think Enes will have a solid year from 18 feet (maybe even further). That's enough.
I want Burke out there for the half-court sets. I see lots of potential with him in the PnR. As long as Burks is enough of a threat from the perimeter, he could be really valuable out there in short-clock situations, when said PnR breaks down.
And, again, I just don't know what Rush is going to be. My campaign has been for everybody to admit they're actually in the same spot as I am.
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But, yes, I think we'll see that combo for more than just limited minutes! Looks good to me.
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Admitted.
I am not advocating a Rush/Hayward/Burks starting unit. I am saying that that trio may see some time on the floor together. The other PGs on roster are well...seat warmers at best. So a 5 of Favors, Kanter, Hayward, Rush and Burks would be interesting to see. Still has that shooting and the ability to drive and colapse the D with Burks and Hayward.
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Damn, that dude might need to be my avatar.
No coach in the league is sagging off Burks but not Rush for 0.75 or less points per game while the post and drive are killing them for sticking to Rush.
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Except it is not .75 points a season over the course of a year. It is 3 points right at the point you leave Rush open. C'mon, you have been a Jazz fan. How has leaving the corner 3 open worked out for us historically? It has been a HUGE weakness, and except for when we had Eaton or a beasting Ostertag (yeah that really happened) we oftentimes have had no choice but to pick our poison. There are not a lot of tremendous post defenders in the NBA. As Kanter and Favors progress you are going to HAVE to send extra bodies into the post to slow them down. Generally that will be the guy from the weak side. Having someone that can immediately punish a team for doing that has to be a consideration. Getting the ball to Burks on the weakside will either result in a poor percentage shot, or having him drive in from that point into a crowded lane. Burks' game is not to the point where that is the best play. Once he improves his free throw percentage or that short pull up right before the defense gets there (he is currently at 30% from that area) then we will have something.
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I'm 100% confident asserting that catch-and-shoot 3pnt shots have been a massive part of Burks' offseason training. Every player like him sees the writing on the wall: you gotta be good at that to stay on the floor.
Billups has called Burks the "corner pimp".... he's got some abilities out there. Needs more consistent minutes and roles.
Billups has called Burks the "corner pimp".... he's got some abilities out there. Needs more consistent minutes and roles.
framer
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Also, we know from last year that Burks had his greatest success when he was allowed to be ball dominant with Foye as the other guard. Let's have a look at Foye's shot chart:
Doesn't it make a little sense that Burks was able to operate on his favorite side because the defense had to account for Foye killing them on the other? What happens with spacing when Hayward and Burks want to coexist in the same area? Hopefully we can eventually get Burke to be the threat from the left side, then Burks could thrive at the top of the key where he is very dangerous. I just think that forcing that on Burke game 1 is a mistake. My beef has never been with Burks talent, I just want to see him play his game and he can best do that playing big minutes from the bench.
Doesn't it make a little sense that Burks was able to operate on his favorite side because the defense had to account for Foye killing them on the other? What happens with spacing when Hayward and Burks want to coexist in the same area? Hopefully we can eventually get Burke to be the threat from the left side, then Burks could thrive at the top of the key where he is very dangerous. I just think that forcing that on Burke game 1 is a mistake. My beef has never been with Burks talent, I just want to see him play his game and he can best do that playing big minutes from the bench.
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Gotta think you will at some point.
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Honest (as opposed to snarky) question here: regarding the shot charts, does better shooting from the left or right actually signify something about the player's abilities or does it have more to do with the team they were playing for? It just seems like there's not much difference shooting from the right corner as opposed to the left corner.