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The Real Decision - Gobert and Burke

orangello said:
I think Favors will improve offensively but everything you said about Kanter is true.

Why are we giving up on him? He's just starting to get it.

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With the way favors plays (very deliberate, not very smooth) what is his offensive ceiling?
 
JAZZGASM said:
With the way favors plays (very deliberate, not very smooth) what is his offensive ceiling?
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I believe his biggest issue is his confidence offensively. If the Jazz play more uptempo then I see him getting better all around because he'll get easy buckets throughout the game.

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orangello said:
I believe his biggest issue is his confidence offensively. If the Jazz play more uptempo then I see him getting better all around because he'll get easy buckets throughout the game.

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Yup. Favors was born to be getting dunks on the break..... but rarely got that chance.
 
orangello said:
I think Favors will improve offensively but everything you said about Kanter is true.

Why are we giving up on him? He's just starting to get it.

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No one is giving up on Kanter. IF the Jazz want to move up in this draft they will have to give up something others view as highly valuable. Kanter will never be an above average interior defender which is key to what Lindsey is trying to create so he is more expendable than than Favors. And I think the Jazz feel like they got a good deal with the Contract they signed with Favors.
 
gomretat said:
The good news is that this really does look like a deep draft and having the number 5 pick is not a bad place to be. The other good news is that the Jazz still have assets that are valuable and a lot of cap space to play with. So making a move is still very possible. Obviously getting in the top 3 would have been great and it would have made a lot easier decision making.

Now that you are at 5, there are two players you have to make a call on. First, do the Jazz believe Gobert can be a starting center on a contending team? If so, you use Kanter as trade bait to try and move up or get another asset. Second, do you believe Trey is your point guard of the future? If not, you package him for some kind of deal. That is what picking 5th does for us - you have to make a call on those two guys, perhaps earlier than you wanted to make that decision.
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well, Gobert is rare one among the C's in this league due to his size, mobility, rebounding and blocking ability but he's still so raw so all fans gotta be so patient about him and it will take some time for him to play meaningfull min behind Kanter or Favors. Next year starting him next to Favors according to your plan is just not realistic. Same goes Burke too, as we have seen all year, he's so talented and knocks down clutch shots but made lots of rookie mistake which is so normal for a rookie. I hope the team insists on youngsters and let them play this year so we can decide easily about this team's future. Last thing is, if we know the culture of this team, it would be so surprising to see any trade to go up on the draft list.
 
fishonjazz said:
Answer to your first question: he should have taken even more minutes from marv..... burks should have taken more of jeffersons minutes
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Even though he was recovering from an injury in the first part of the season, Kanter played over 2100 minutes, and Burks played almost 2200. The each took over 800 shots, as opposed to Jefferson's 650 and Williams 530. Corbin did many things wrong last season, but one thing hie did right was give time and possessions to Burks and Kanter.

fishonjazz said:
Second question: my rational for playing them more together would be to find out how they play together. Can they be our version of randolph and gasol? griffin and deandre? Love and pekovic?
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Before you can be the combination of Love and Pekovic, you have to have the individual Love and the individual Pekovic. They needed individual development.

fishonjazz said:
We still dont know and will probably have to use next season to find out instead of last season which was the perfect year to find out what works or not
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Last season, we would have found out how well they played together as inexperienced players. When they play together this season, we will get a much better idea of their potential than we could have last season, because they will be closer to the full potential.
 
fishonjazz said:
Kanter could have taken some of haywards shots (and treys too) which probably would have helped hayward not be under so much pressure to carry the scoring load
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So, with Hayward entering a contract year, you feel we would be better off not knowing if he could handle being the major scorer on a team, and being unsure if he was worth of a maximum contract?
 
Core4 said:
Sure Alec got 28 mins/per, but we really needed hose minutes to be with the rest of the starters. Why do we always refer to "team defense?"
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That may be what you wanted, but it wasn't what Burks needed. Burks needed a chance to show his skills and develop his game.

Will it take a season to develop defensive chemistry? Perhaps. Were ever going to win a championship in the 2014-15 season? No. It makes little sense to sacrifice Burks' individual development, and not get a better idea of his potential, so we can develop defensive chemistry on a team where that will, at best, get us a 6 seed as opposed to an 8 seed. If we are going for a championship, then we need to grow the players first, and then let them develop chemistry as fully realized individuals.
 
silesian said:
That is a false choice. If Kanter gets 75 minutes from Williams, he has the third most minutes on the team, behind only Hayward and Burke (2213)
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If Kanter had not started the season injured, he would have had those 75 minutes easily.

However, it is extremely silly to think an additional 75 minutes, tacked onto the 2100+ minutes he already played, is the difference between developing Kanter and not developing Kanter. Giving him minutes just to boost him on the minutes chart makes no sense at all.
 
One Brow said:
If Kanter had not started the season injured, he would have had those 75 minutes easily.

However, it is extremely silly to think an additional 75 minutes, tacked onto the 2100+ minutes he already played, is the difference between developing Kanter and not developing Kanter. Giving him minutes just to boost him on the minutes chart makes no sense at all.
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It would be silly to think that (who is thinking that?)

I was responding to your comment that in order for Kanter to move up he would have to take minutes from someone in the top 5. Asking questions about Kanter taking Trey Burke's minutes -- not that is silly.
 
zman1527 said:
If Gobert can be a starter, why trade Kanter? If it was favors and gobert, we have little scoring from the bigs. Kanter + Gobert seem a better combo.

As to Burke, I may not have watched enough to know for sure, but it seems like he lacks essential quickness: he could not get around guys and into the lane. Am I wrong about that? If not, that makes him a mediocre starting pg. Maybe good enough considering the other pieces, but only a role player, at best a Mike Conley type guy
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If he could be as good as Conley, then he'd be good enough to be the PG on a championship team. Conley is very underrated. You put him on OKC instead of Westbrook and they have a championship team (of course, they'd still need Ibaka).
 
One Brow said:
So, with Hayward entering a contract year, you feel we would be better off not knowing if he could handle being the major scorer on a team, and being unsure if he was worth of a maximum contract?
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i knew that answer after seeing him play his first three years and about 30 games into his 4th.

As far as your responses regaurding kanter and burks. Ya they played alot..... i still think they should have played even more.
Notice i have never complained about haywards minutes? Bump burks and kanter up near haywards minutes and im happy.
 
One Brow said:
Giving him minutes just to boost him on the minutes chart makes no sense at all.
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playing him less minutes just for no reason at all makes no sense at all too imo
 
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