Chad Feldheimer
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He has. He called for reform and says he disagreed with them cutting off internet and cell phone access. He has also said he supports the right of the people of Egypt to peacefully protest.
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He has. He called for reform and says he disagreed with them cutting off internet and cell phone access. He has also said he supports the right of the people of Egypt to peacefully protest.
DutchJazzer
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my english might not be good. but from what i get from cnn is obama. is afraid to choose a side. cus if he chooses the people and the goverment stays in power he looses an ally.
sorry sticklerr if i offended ur country, and ur patriotism
Stickler
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Obama's response was complete milquetoast. He seemed to be calling for reform within the framework of Mubarak remaining in power, and calling on Mubarak to show restraint in dealing with the protesters. That's the way I read it, perhaps you saw it differently. I thought he was trying very carefully to indicate that whichever way this goes, the victor will enjoy the support of the United States -- without saying it outright, lest he offend one side or the other. Yet, clearly the protesters are in the right. I hope he sees that, and was only being so careful because of Egypt's role in the region. I read it that way.
I'm not thrilled with it. He should have clearly and emphatically sided with the people. Just my opinion.
Dutch, you didn't offend my country or my patriotism, you just don't know what you're talking about.
Stickler
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You're right.
DutchJazzer
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okay so obama supports a goverment who denies human rights. and obviosly keep their people down. a goverment who is not a democracy who is not fair?
just saying i find america(the goverment not the people) twofaced.
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You are not the only one. Most of the politically-minded but intellectually-challenged people here (as in, in america) find the other party beyond two-faced....normally they are portrayed as being the devil incarnate or of the intelligence of a jelly-fish with all the honesty of this guy:
[video]https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/tommy-in-jail/281003/
Easy Stefan....most Govs are two faced.
For those cheering on the "freedom fighters" in Egypt, my guess is that they will end up with an even more repressive government than what they are getting rid of. The most outspoken and powerful entity calling for "reform" and looking to take control at the moment is the Muslim Brotherhood. This is akin to the US government being overthrown and the Christian Coalition filling the vacuum of power.
It won't be a democratic replacement. It will end up being a theocratic government much like what we see in Iran. What happens when people try to voice their opinion in Iran? That's right, the government squashes them. Free indeed. The people of Egypt are going to get exactly what they are asking for. A new government. And they'll see how much worse life can be.
It won't be a democratic replacement. It will end up being a theocratic government much like what we see in Iran. What happens when people try to voice their opinion in Iran? That's right, the government squashes them. Free indeed. The people of Egypt are going to get exactly what they are asking for. A new government. And they'll see how much worse life can be.
DutchJazzer
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maybe not but a lot of countries had epic revolutions like this turns out for the better. need I name some examples?
it could be a represssive islamic goverment.
but the way these people are fighting and dying. i bet they wont take ****. so they might be better off.
and how cna you compare the current egyptian goverment to the us goverment?
Stickler
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This is the impression one might have from following the news that airs in the United States. Yet, as so often happens, a lot of the American news on the topic contains very little depth, and reports on only the most worrying aspects of the situation. Controversy and fear-mongering equals ratings. I feel as if, from following this situation all week on reddit, (and hence encountering possibly hundreds of sources with better information than the American media), watching dozens of videos straight from the streets of Egypt, and reading a lot of dispatches from Egyptians about the recent history of their country, I have a solid grasp on the situation.
I have been nothing but impressed with the Egyptian people. Their goals, and their methods, have been spectacular. There have been so many moments in this thing where they have risen to the occasion. The idea that this will end with them accepting a more oppressive regime is sensationalist stuff. It's not going to end that way.