The Suns traded their veteran when they saw they had a better younger player (Plumlee)
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Julie Greengiant
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The front office that let every veteran player go this offseason?
You mean the front office with a new GM that just had his first summer being in charge. Color me confused
It only took them 3 years to figure out what the Suns figured out immediately. They deserve congratulations for that?
//r00t 4 Jazz
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You mean they did it to increase their tank and if you look at what the Jazz got by letting those said veterans walk and letting them trade with GSW, the Jazz actually got a better haul then PHX.
Also clearly the organization ruined the young kids look how crappy they are, they're ruined for their entire careers they should just retire now. The FO also clearly shows no faith in them by not turning the team over to them this year and trying to extend their contracts.........
YEAH Good Call.
Also clearly the organization ruined the young kids look how crappy they are, they're ruined for their entire careers they should just retire now. The FO also clearly shows no faith in them by not turning the team over to them this year and trying to extend their contracts.........
YEAH Good Call.
trigg3r
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Cool story, bro........
Stifle Tower
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I doubt the Suns saw THIS out of Plumlee. He played a grand total of 55 mins last year and shot a whopping 24%. And please tell me what trade the Jazz turned down for Jefferson or Millsap? Lindsey said there was little interest last season. You'll probably say Bledsoe. But the rumor on that one is that LAC wanted Burks, then decided to back off entirely until they were sure CP3 would sign. I also think there was some general disagreement over what the franchise should do. United on letting Jefferson go, but I think KOC and others likely wanted to re-sign Millsap, DMC, and probably Mo and Foye. DO that, and add another healthy, solid wing, and I have no doubt Utah could have won 45-50 games and competed for home court in the 1st round. Lindsey, however, wanted a complete rebuild. He's said a couple of times you can't skip steps. And signing older FA's just to make the playoffs in the middle or lower tier is skipping steps. Lindsey essentially took on the 3 GS players for Jefferson and Millsap and got draft picks and another year of salary flexibility instead of players with multiple years left on their contracts. I liked the move - a lot - I guess we'll see who was right once the picks are exercised and the Jazz use that cap space again next year.
It's not about what the Jazz got or could've gotten in any trade. It's about not wasting damn near the entire rookie contracts of the players that you're building around. Now they're still underdeveloped and guess what - their rookie contracts are expiring soon. A traditional rebuild would have been smarter.
I get your point. But do you have a time machine?
bovice
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I agree it was a year late, but at least they did it. They cleaned house more than any other time I've been watching this team.
gregbroncs
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3 of the 4 got double/doubles in their 2nd game together and one nearly had a triple double. If they are underdeveloped you should be excited as hell for where they'll be once they are fully developed.
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Lindsey was signed in August 2012 when my google skills don't fool me. That's after the draft process and that's when he could start working the Millers. It doesn't really matter if they were on board with a fast rebuild ASAP or if that stance developed through the 12/13 season. You can't really hate Lindsey for anything other than what he did this summer. If he tried to move their vets last summer just look how often late summer trades happen. And during the season, Jefferson and Millsap are not difference makers in a championship run when you trade for them. What would he have gotten in return? long term money with late 20's draftpicks? I'd rather have the expiring of Jefferson than 3 years Gerald Wallace.
The one who is to blame would be the ownership. KOC is only in the background using his connections.
I admit that Phoenix has done a good job to gather draftpicks, but their development is way behind. They have a good guard duo and they'll struggle mightily developing high draftpicks only in the next years. Dragic at this point no matter how well he plays is really hard to move. Look at rosters. Maybe Houston and Indiana might be interested. But that's about it. Milwaukee and the Lakers might be interested if things develop in certain ways. But they won't get much for him in return. Other teams either don't want a prime PG cause of rebuilding and those who are past it are already set at this position with an equally skilled guard. So let's see what Plumlee, Bledsoe and Len do over the whole season. I don't even know if the Morris' twins are in their long term plans. PJ Tucker would be another piece they'd try to cash in on. Very good wing defender, one of the best against LeBron last season. And like Philly, if they continue to win teams will actually start preparing for them. They won't be able to keep their good start going and their young players aren't really younger than the core of the Jazz. Bledsoe is 4th year(turning 24), Plumlee 2nd year(age 25) and their new rookie Len and Goodwin haven't contributed to winning yet. They'll prolly struggle mightily. And they can'T play the Morris twins, Dragic and Tucker 40 min every game. They have a similar approach to development, their situation is very different though.
Their assets are less developed than the younger Jazz pieces and it's sometimes bad luck. I can understand ownership not wanting to tank two years in a row. Just think what they might have gotten for Jefferson Millsap last season if they tried to unload them.
Now be patient and don't complain about front office spending until the Jazz don't extend/drop/trade the first player not wanting to pay luxury tax. That would be a real shame. OKC will regret their moves once their stars leave in 3 years or they are forced to trade them like the Magic. What I liked about the Magic though: They were never afraid to spend and risk. It didn't pan out. They'll learn from there and they're in a super fast rebuild mode that might get them into the playoffs in 2015 again.
Thee Jazz Fan
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The young bigs were lucky to be able to have the opportunity to play with and learn from Al. Not many vets are willing to take young guys gunning for their spot under their wing, and mentor them. Plus Favors is 22yrs old Plumlee is 24. You need to remember that the c4 are still incredibly young. It's not always good to just throw players that young on the court for that many minutes. No point in teaching them bad habbits and such. I think they are better for how they were handled.
So why don't you go cheer for the Suns? Funny how the Suns are in the same position as the Jazz but they started 3 years ago. I don't even know what you are talking about. THe Suns traded most of their vets this summer. I think you are fast becoming an annoying troll.
Your assumptions do not necessarily correlate to fact.
The Suns could have realized that this draft was stocked and realized that this was the year to tank, hence the need to tank. Under that premise, they would presume that Plumlee would give them less of a chance to win.
All kinds of conjecture we can build from the nebulous of front office actions.