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TheGoldStandard said:
I wouldn't go that far. Sanderson is a talented writer, and gets books published like a madman while still teaching at an insane rate, but the majority of his writing is a bit predictable (at least for me). I liked what he did to finish WOT, but I felt like RJ's writing was going downhill after book 4, and becoming a bit formalistic and somewhat unreadable. Also didn't love the ending, but not pinning that on Sanderson. It would be hard as hell to take someone else's vision and style to an extent and put it on paper.

It did get me to look at Sanderson's other work, and some of it is great, while others are just menial. The Way of Kings was great. The prologue sucks you in to the world, and was written really well, but slowly seeing the quality diminish as the series goes on. When you are publishing as much as he is, it is still impressive he can turn out decent stories.

The Shannara books were the same thing. They used to be long, well-written epics. Eventually either the publisher or Brooks let the series drop tremendously. Partially because each story turned into 3 short books, and partially because the story quality diminished. The tv series was abysmal, and thankfully I only wasted enough time to watch half an episode.

So while I complain about GRRM and Rothfuss, I love the quality of the writing.
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Wow. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
As far as the ending, Sanderson got the last battle pretty much in final form. Given that, he did great.
I think the Stormlight Archive has only improved tremendously as it’s gone along, so we are in strong disagreement there.
Agreed on Shannara. Sword and Wishsong were solid - the rest were not. TV series was YA trash.
 
leftyjace said:
Wow. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
As far as the ending, Sanderson got the last battle pretty much in final form. Given that, he did great.
I think the Stormlight Archive has only improved tremendously as it’s gone along, so we are in strong disagreement there.
Agreed on Shannara. Sword and Wishsong were solid - the rest were not. TV series was YA trash.
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Rhythm was good, but the time disconnect between book 3 and start of book four could have been introduced better, and the first of the book was slow and tedious. The last half was great, but the first have drops the quality compared to the first 3, which I had a hard time putting down, and book 4 which I had a hard time picking up well until half-way through.

Also, his foreshadowing in basically all his books is mindnumbingly obvious, and his character development is average. He does create great reader friendly worlds, and obviously if he took extra time to flush out additional pieces his books would be better, and as I said before, his publication rate is impressive.
 
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TheGoldStandard said:
Rhythm was good, but the time disconnect between book 3 and start of book four could have been introduced better, and the first of the book was slow and tedious. The last half was great, but the first have drops the quality compared to the first 3, which I had a hard time putting down, and book 4 which I had a hard time picking up well until half-way through.

Also, his foreshadowing in basically all his books is mindnumbingly obvious, and his character development is average. He does create great reader friendly worlds, and obviously if he took extra time to flush out additional pieces his books would be better, and as I said before, his publication rate is impressive.
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Like I said…
You can keep repeating your opinions all you want, but we will just have to agree to disagree.
 
leftyjace said:
Like I said…
You can keep repeating your opinions all you want, but we will just have to agree to disagree.
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Fair enough, but many critics largely have the same opinion.

Also, a very close-minded response. Basically you are saying I can make any argument, but your mind is set. That attitude is responsible for many of this worlds problems, but you do you.
 
TheGoldStandard said:
Fair enough, but many critics largely have the same opinion.

Also, a very close-minded response. Basically you are saying I can make any argument, but your mind is set. That attitude is responsible for many of this worlds problems, but you do you.
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De gustibus non disputandum est!
 
gandalfe said:
De gustibus non disputandum est!
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I've noted that this phrase is often used carelessly in defense of the indefensible by those who care only for the otherwise indefensibly bad, particularly one of my Catholic priests growing up comes to mind. The fool thought it was the end of an argument when all it did was show his ineptitude to acknowledge a fallacy.

It is not a truth by any means and should be disputed.
 
TheGoldStandard said:
I've noted that this phrase is often used carelessly in defense of the indefensible by those who care only for the otherwise indefensibly bad, particularly one of my Catholic priests growing up comes to mind. The fool thought it was the end of an argument when all it did was show his ineptitude to acknowledge a fallacy.

It is not a truth by any means and should be disputed.
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I don't really care either way, but you're trying to say he's wrong for his opinions about a piece of entertainment, and trying to link that to larger problems in the world. That seems overblown.
 
TheGoldStandard said:
Fair enough, but many critics largely have the same opinion.

Also, a very close-minded response. Basically you are saying I can make any argument, but your mind is set. That attitude is responsible for many of this worlds problems, but you do you.
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Not sure why you’re picking a fight here.
Are you trying to convince me that I shouldn’t like the series as much as I do, and if I don’t like it the same way as you I’m some sort of example of what is wrong with the world today, and that I’m “closed-minded”? With all due respect, up yours.
I was being cordial and courteous without guile or hostility, giving you the levity to have your own opinion and simply pointing out that I don’t agree. And that, despite the fact that I think you’re wrong - dead wrong. And if the “critics” agree with you, I think they’re wrong as well. But just because you are part of what you feel is a “majority” doesn’t mean you are correct when it comes to something as subjective as how much someone enjoys reading a book, for crying out loud.
Frankly, you are coming across as quite rude.
Next you’re going to try to convince me that the color blue is superior to any other color, no matter what I say.
Sheesh.
 
leftyjace said:
Not sure why you’re picking a fight here.
Are you trying to convince me that I shouldn’t like the series as much as I do, and if I don’t like it the same way as you I’m some sort of example of what is wrong with the world today, and that I’m “closed-minded”? With all due respect, up yours.
I was being cordial and courteous without guile or hostility, giving you the levity to have your own opinion and simply pointing out that I don’t agree. And that, despite the fact that I think you’re wrong - dead wrong. And if the “critics” agree with you, I think they’re wrong as well. But just because you are part of what you feel is a “majority” doesn’t mean you are correct when it comes to something as subjective as how much someone enjoys reading a book, for crying out loud.
Frankly, you are coming across as quite rude.
Next you’re going to try to convince me that the color blue is superior to any other color, no matter what I say.
Sheesh.
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My problem has nothing to do with your opinion in a book. You can say they are the best books ever, and generally I agree we can disagree.

I made a generalized comment about the drop in quality of a series, and the ending of another to which you said we can agree to disagree. A general statement, which I don't disagree with.

I then clarify what myself and many others agree are the issues with Sanderson's books, which I state may not be an issue if he slows his pace and takes time to develop characters, etc. These were specific criticisms to his style, which I never addressed before other than a generalized drop off in quality.

You are free to your opinion, but I bring up a number of issues, and you react by dismissing my comments by saying:
"Like I said…
You can keep repeating your opinions all you want, but we will just have to agree to disagree."

It is the dismissiveness to very specific issues that you address with "like I said", which shows you completely dismiss the new points addressed without addressing any of them.

Yet I am bring rude, coming from the person telling me "up yours"... Got it.

And I double down that people that take dismissive views on any topic are responsible for many of the divisions in this country.
 
TheGoldStandard said:
My problem has nothing to do with your opinion in a book. You can say they are the best books ever, and generally I agree we can disagree.

I made a generalized comment about the drop in quality of a series, and the ending of another to which you said we can agree to disagree. A general statement, which I don't disagree with.

I then clarify what myself and many others agree are the issues with Sanderson's books, which I state may not be an issue if he slows his pace and takes time to develop characters, etc. These were specific criticisms to his style, which I never addressed before other than a generalized drop off in quality.

You are free to your opinion, but I bring up a number of issues, and you react by dismissing my comments by saying:
"Like I said…
You can keep repeating your opinions all you want, but we will just have to agree to disagree."

It is the dismissiveness to very specific issues that you address with "like I said", which shows you completely dismiss the new points addressed without addressing any of them.

Yet I am bring rude, coming from the person telling me "up yours"... Got it.

And I double down that people that take dismissive views on any topic are responsible for many of the divisions in this country.
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Whatever. (See what I did there?)
 
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