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The year KOC ruined the Jazz
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of course not....dammit all.
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I don't give KOC much credit for signing Jefferson (a great signing). That trade fell right into his lap when Kahn gave away Jefferson for salary cap room. Any GM after losing Boozer, Mathews and Korver would have said yes to taking on Jefferson. It was a no brainer, perfect for KOC.
Signing Bell was nice, but may not have been required if KOC would have just gave Mathews a five year 25 million dollar offer at 12:01 instead of waiting for Portland to set the market.
Now KOC is playing games with Fes. Eventually Fes will sign the one year tender for a million and is agents will be pissed. They are seeking a multi-year deal around 2 million per year. I'd give Fess a three year six million contract today. He's 23 with upside. Next year we lose Fes because KOC is not as good at his job as everyone thinks.
When you have a player seeking max money that is when you let other teams set the market. When you have a young up and coming player with potential like Mathews and Fes you should be proactive not reactive.
For example, Andray Blatche just signed a new contract when he still had 2 years left on his deal. KOC would never do this.
I don't give KOC much credit for signing Jefferson (a great signing). That trade fell right into his lap when Kahn gave away Jefferson for salary cap room. Any GM after losing Boozer, Mathews and Korver would have said yes to taking on Jefferson. It was a no brainer, perfect for KOC.
Signing Bell was nice, but may not have been required if KOC would have just gave Mathews a five year 25 million dollar offer at 12:01 instead of waiting for Portland to set the market.
Now KOC is playing games with Fes. Eventually Fes will sign the one year tender for a million and is agents will be pissed. They are seeking a multi-year deal around 2 million per year. I'd give Fess a three year six million contract today. He's 23 with upside. Next year we lose Fes because KOC is not as good at his job as everyone thinks.
When you have a player seeking max money that is when you let other teams set the market. When you have a young up and coming player with potential like Mathews and Fes you should be proactive not reactive.
For example, Andray Blatche just signed a new contract when he still had 2 years left on his deal. KOC would never do this.
As furious as I was about the Hayward pick, the jury's still out (and you would've picked LARRY SANDERS???). The salary dumps have been the Millers, KOC facilitates their orders and he's done a good job with such a difficult task.
KOC's a good GM, the bad moves (including if Hayward sucks, as I think they made the pick) fall on the Millers (AK's contract, Harpring's 4-year deal, Memo extension, all of the salary dumps since then as casualties of previous boneheaded contracts issued). KOC gets way too much blame for obviously bad decisions that aren't really up to him (contract terms, salary dumps). Kevin Pritchard wouldn't be able to do much for owners that are usually clueless.
KOC's a good GM, the bad moves (including if Hayward sucks, as I think they made the pick) fall on the Millers (AK's contract, Harpring's 4-year deal, Memo extension, all of the salary dumps since then as casualties of previous boneheaded contracts issued). KOC gets way too much blame for obviously bad decisions that aren't really up to him (contract terms, salary dumps). Kevin Pritchard wouldn't be able to do much for owners that are usually clueless.
And as far as Matthews is concerned, the Jazz have done everything right. Matthews wasn't worth even what you were offering and even still, you never bid against yourself (that's kind of the first rule when you hold cards in negotiations). Just because Portland made one of the most retarded decisions of the offseason doesn't mean that the Jazz did anything wrong.
Also, Fesenko is an idiot and his agent is an *******. The Jazz are doing what they should there as well.
In summary; you have no ****ing clue what you're talking about.
Also, Fesenko is an idiot and his agent is an *******. The Jazz are doing what they should there as well.
In summary; you have no ****ing clue what you're talking about.
One thing I know for sure, you can't make everyone happy all the time.
I would like to see the Jazz get more than Diaw + Ross for AK, and I think they're holding out for more. Cutting AK loose was destined for controversy, I hope it works out in our favor. But considering the moves the Jazz made this summer, which the majority of you have approved, something now must be done to even it all out. The Jefferson/Bell/Watson/Elson "upgrades" came at a cost. AK and a salary dump are apparently that cost. Yeah, sucks being in a small market folks.
I would like to see the Jazz get more than Diaw + Ross for AK, and I think they're holding out for more. Cutting AK loose was destined for controversy, I hope it works out in our favor. But considering the moves the Jazz made this summer, which the majority of you have approved, something now must be done to even it all out. The Jefferson/Bell/Watson/Elson "upgrades" came at a cost. AK and a salary dump are apparently that cost. Yeah, sucks being in a small market folks.
Numberica
There were at least 3 guys drafted after Hayward that I like. Since I live in vegas I went to several summer league games, and I thought Sanders was in the top five players overall. He had a great summer league. He has more offense than advertised and he is a defensive threat right now that could get time on any team.
As for the Millers telling KOC what to do you may be right. I don't know. But if your going to do a salary dump, why take back Diaw? 9 Million this year and more importantly 9 Million next year. you save salary cap now (a lot of money) but next year your hand cuffed by this decision. Seem like a bad move.s
There were at least 3 guys drafted after Hayward that I like. Since I live in vegas I went to several summer league games, and I thought Sanders was in the top five players overall. He had a great summer league. He has more offense than advertised and he is a defensive threat right now that could get time on any team.
As for the Millers telling KOC what to do you may be right. I don't know. But if your going to do a salary dump, why take back Diaw? 9 Million this year and more importantly 9 Million next year. you save salary cap now (a lot of money) but next year your hand cuffed by this decision. Seem like a bad move.s
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The GM - everyone say this with me - HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DECISION TO CUT COSTS. The GM usually is asking for money to spend, not the other way around.
The only thing that KOC would be clearly accountable for is striking out in the first round every year he's been with the Jazz except in '99 (AK) and '05 (Deron, top 3), the most damning of all being drafting Kris Humphries and Kirk Snyder over Josh Smith and Al Jefferson. OOPS.
The only thing that KOC would be clearly accountable for is striking out in the first round every year he's been with the Jazz except in '99 (AK) and '05 (Deron, top 3), the most damning of all being drafting Kris Humphries and Kirk Snyder over Josh Smith and Al Jefferson. OOPS.
Remember when Michael Beasley totally destroyed in summer league and Rose blew? Who cares? It's summer league, not the NBA.
And FWIW, Hayward looked pretty good in summer league as well. But that's not the NBA, hence "the jury's still out". Even still, that pick looks like ownership, not KOC (he's the one that keeps talking about getting longer and more athletic, things that Hayward isn't either of).
And FWIW, Hayward looked pretty good in summer league as well. But that's not the NBA, hence "the jury's still out". Even still, that pick looks like ownership, not KOC (he's the one that keeps talking about getting longer and more athletic, things that Hayward isn't either of).
Hearsky
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Yeah, how come KOC doesn't think more progressively like the Washington Wizards?
Numberica
I been watching summer league ball for years and actually attended the first Rocky Mountain review games. I don't get too excited about summer league. Now I did watch every single summer league game Hayward played and didn't get excited. I see a lot of people overreacting to box scores. Hayward played timid on offense. He got a lot of points at the end of games shooting foul shots.
You are right not to take away too much from summer league because it can be deceiving, but I know whether a guy can play by watching summer league. Sanders can play in this league.
I been watching summer league ball for years and actually attended the first Rocky Mountain review games. I don't get too excited about summer league. Now I did watch every single summer league game Hayward played and didn't get excited. I see a lot of people overreacting to box scores. Hayward played timid on offense. He got a lot of points at the end of games shooting foul shots.
You are right not to take away too much from summer league because it can be deceiving, but I know whether a guy can play by watching summer league. Sanders can play in this league.