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there's been plenty of talk, but I'm gonna be the first to do it....

[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];631902 said:
Brandon Rush is gonna be bawse as ****. I mean, I, like most of you, have only seen him play a handful of times, but whatever. He deserves to start. He kinda reminds me of another savvy veteran we acquired after he, too, sat out most of a year in Golden State.... that guy who chose us over Kobe's helicopter, and then dominated here as a defacto-starter. 3 and D! open teh offense!

So here it is: BRush for comeback player of the year!

Even though there have been no reports of Rush's health, I'm sure he's better than Alex Berks. Don't ask me why, ok?
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I think you go yourself fixed in a huge way.
 
I just wasted 1 minute of my life reading this thread...I could've been doing something more productive like picking my nose or something.
 
Zulu said:
I like Burks.....
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Zoo Chew, lemme give you my witch doctoring on the Burks sitch.

If Burks can take the strides he needs to then I'm not so sure Rush takes minutes from him. If healthy then Rush is there by default due to Lindsey's desire to run a San Antonio system. I actually think that's going to be this organization's biggest Achilles heal -- Jazz are not Duncan-Parker and those plays won't work unless they become that. The fan worship over things past is something else; Jazz need to find their own identity and then figure out how to get over the hump with that. I'm worried they are placing way too much emphasis on the SAS model and it's clouding their decision making.

Back to Rush -- He doesn't really provide much other than D and shooting. The 3 point % is nice, but his stats kinda suck for a career 41% 3 shooter. His best season was 9.8 ppg? He could easily shatter that in Foye's role with a green light but I'm not sold on him being an upgrade there. Foye is an underrated defender IMO (he tries real hard), and has about as good a drtg as Rush, FWTW. Rush split his time between the 2 and the 3 though, so face value that.

Rush is a two, Hayward a two hybrid, and Burks a two. Rush provides little other than an outside shot, Burks has potential to make the offense more dynamic. He has the capacity to guard the two as well as Rush (but a little undersized in comparison), but makes a bunch of stupid mistakes. Rush has been around for 5 years or something so I don't give him any learning advantage there. Took him plenty to come along.
 
franklin said:
Zoo Chew, lemme give you my witch doctoring on the Burks sitch.

If Burks can take the strides he needs to then I'm not so sure Rush takes minutes from him. If healthy then Rush is there by default due to Lindsey's desire to run a San Antonio system. I actually think that's going to be this organization's biggest Achilles heal -- Jazz are not Duncan-Parker and those plays won't work unless they become that. The fan worship over things past is something else; Jazz need to find their own identity and then figure out how to get over the hump with that. I'm worried they are placing way too much emphasis on the SAS model and it's clouding their decision making.

Back to Rush -- He doesn't really provide much other than D and shooting. The 3 point % is nice, but his stats kinda suck for a career 41% 3 shooter. His best season was 9.8 ppg? He could easily shatter that in Foye's role with a green light but I'm not sold on him being an upgrade there. Foye is an underrated defender IMO (he tries real hard), and has about as good a drtg as Rush, FWTW. Rush split his time between the 2 and the 3 though, so face value that.

Rush is a two, Hayward a two hybrid, and Burks a two. Rush provides little other than an outside shot, Burks has potential to make the offense more dynamic. He has the capacity to guard the two as well as Rush (but a little undersized in comparison), but makes a bunch of stupid mistakes. Rush has been around for 5 years or something so I don't give him any learning advantage there. Took him plenty to come along.
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This is what huge can't, or won't, provide as to why Burks should start.

Also this was never a Rush is better than Burks. Never. You reference Rushs outside shot and that's the thing. Don't we want the floor stretched to start the game? Greater chance of an offensive flow starting. We also never stated Rush take Burks time. I said Burks should get 30mpg.

The scenario Huge is giving is not what has been stated. But you and Huge already knew that.

Edit: only reason I said Rush is that he and Hayward are the best outside shooters. Nothing more. Nothing less.
 
Stoked said:
You reference Rushs outside shot and that's the thing. Don't we want the floor stretched to start the game?.
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I'm not that sure tbh. Candy Boye spaced the floor as well as any, where did that get the Jazz? More Alfense big tee tricking doo da.

Running an NBA offense is difficult, but I think Burks brings more to the table in terms of versatility. Dont heart attack Fozzy n Zulu.
 
Stoked said:
This is what huge can't, or won't, provide as to why Burks should start.

Also this was never a Rush is better than Burks. Never. You reference Rushs outside shot and that's the thing. Don't we want the floor stretched to start the game? Greater chance of an offensive flow starting. We also never stated Rush take Burks time. I said Burks should get 30mpg.

The scenario Huge is giving is not what has been stated. But you and Huge already knew that.

Edit: only reason I said Rush is that he and Hayward are the best outside shooters. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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But isn't the best fast break running offense going to be the starting lineup with all the youth? Burks would flourish in an up tempo scenario.
Also burks would be better at penetrating for the drive and kick out game to hayward burke and kanter.

Also burks in pick n roll with kanter and favs would be more effective than rush.

Honestly I'm just playing a little devils advocate as I can see everyone's point of why he should come off the bench.

However I think he would do just fine with the starters and rush would be ok off the bench
 
fishonjazz said:
But isn't the best fast break running offense going to be the starting lineup with all the youth? Burks would flourish in an up tempo scenario.
Also burks would be better at penetrating for the drive and kick out game to hayward burke and kanter.

Also burks in pick n roll with kanter and favs would be more effective than rush.

Honestly I'm just playing a little devils advocate as I can see everyone's point of why he should come off the bench.

However I think he would do just fine with the starters and rush would be ok off the bench
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Finally some substance

I would not list Kanter with the shooters. Burks would be fine with the starters. But would the team be better off? Burks driving collapses the floor. That makes it harder for Kanter and Favors.
 
Stoked said:
Finally some substance

I would not list Kanter with the shooters. Burks would be fine with the starters. But would the team be better off? Burks driving collapses the floor. That makes it harder for Kanter and Favors.
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Tbh.
The team Is probably better with burks coming off the bench, but **** that.
 
Frank.....

I honestly want burks to come off the bench...... He needs touches to get him going....

Most of burks games started off slow and then he slayed it in the second half!!

I want burks to come off the bench and then finish the games with hayfavburkant
 
fishonjazz said:
Tbh.
The team Is probably better with burks coming off the bench, but **** that.
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forget that. No one is above the team. No one.

Having said that, if a valid argument is made for any other starters coming off the bench than I am all ears.
 
Zulu said:
Frank.....

I honestly want burks to come off the bench...... He needs touches to get him going....

Most of burks games started off slow and then he slayed it in the second half!!

I want burks to come off the bench and then finish the games with hayfavburkant
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Nice name at the end zulu.
 
Zulu said:
Frank.....

I honestly want burks to come off the bench...... He needs touches to get him going....

Most of burks games started off slow and then he slayed it in the second half!!

I want burks to come off the bench and then finish the games with hayfavburkant
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This
 
franklin said:
I'm not that sure tbh. Candy Boye spaced the floor as well as any, where did that get the Jazz? More Alfense big tee tricking doo da.

Running an NBA offense is difficult, but I think Burks brings more to the table in terms of versatility. Dont heart attack Fozzy n Zulu.
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Yes, but that was due to Corbin's refusal to run anything else. Ball went inside to Al and disappeared for 10 seconds. Everyone just stood around because they knew it was senseless to waste energy moving around. Jefferson would then try a few fakes, draw the double team and shoot anyway. Or occasionally, maybe he'd have to adjust his shorts so he'd throw the ball back to Watson or Tinsley, dislodge his wedgie and then get the ball right back.

With some ball and player movement, there's actually a chance for Burke to run the P&R or Hayward to drive to the basket and if the double comes, throw it outside for a 3 pt shot. That's why I think having Hayward and Rush, who are both 40%+ from the 3 is a good idea.

I can understand the argument of having Burks in an up-tempo offense. But really, most possessions are going to be played in the half court. And Alec with the starters isn't going to be the one bringing the ball up, even if they do get out and run...that will be Trey, with Derrick and Gordon on either side.
 
franklin said:
I'm not that sure tbh. Candy Boye spaced the floor as well as any, where did that get the Jazz? More Alfense big tee tricking doo da.

Running an NBA offense is difficult, but I think Burks brings more to the table in terms of versatility. Dont heart attack Fozzy n Zulu.
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I guess they like the way you say it. Whatever.

Core4 said:
Yes, but that was due to Corbin's refusal to run anything else. Ball went inside to Al and disappeared for 10 seconds. Everyone just stood around because they knew it was senseless to waste energy moving around. Jefferson would then try a few fakes, draw the double team and shoot anyway. Or occasionally, maybe he'd have to adjust his shorts so he'd throw the ball back to Watson or Tinsley, dislodge his wedgie and then get the ball right back.

With some ball and player movement, there's actually a chance for Burke to run the P&R or Hayward to drive to the basket and if the double comes, throw it outside for a 3 pt shot. That's why I think having Hayward and Rush, who are both 40%+ from the 3 is a good idea.

I can understand the argument of having Burks in an up-tempo offense. But really, most possessions are going to be played in the half court. And Alec with the starters isn't going to be the one bringing the ball up, even if they do get out and run...that will be Trey, with Derrick and Gordon on either side.
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Convenient facts/opinions.
 
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