They guessed right. Props to them.
This franchise doesn't want to win a title
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They guessed right. Props to them.
JAZZFAN_2814
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I believe I pointed out that the argument was so simplistic, and through your responses redundant, that it was becoming squared by that very selfsame standard or stricture.
In other words, I doubt it's possible to miss your reasoning. Which is the problem, since that very same application and standardization is ratiocination-free oxymoron.
The square-root of a negative integer, in other words.
As I pointed out, the thread was about management, not individual players. You've obfuscated that point -- or at least tried to -- and thus now are attempting to shift the burden from that management group to a dyad of star players who weren't making personnel decisions.
Pathetic.
Further, how it is that you think we can judge these guys as stars without looking at their career-achievements as individuals is a great mystery.
Well, it would be if it wasn't quite clear that you have no ****ing idea what you're positing.
Within your own standard, how does one spot a star player to begin with?
Oops.
In other news, you created the strawman by, first, conflating Stockton and Malone with management and, then, simply confusing the matter altogether.
So, either you're failing at sophistry or have managed to miss your own point. Both?
Quite the equation, especially for an argument that isn't even half-baked.
It was laid out, tautologically, as to what the problem is with your point: that is, simply, that it's reductive to a degree of/in retardation.
No point missed. The point itself, from you, is so dim that it's nearly pointless and, possibly worse, is implosive.
To extrapolate, you somehow think that it's kosher to separate individual accolades from this discussion and measurement while still judging certain players as franchise standards and stars. An argument that halves in such a way as to make no sense whatsoever.
Really, really dumb.
Your viewpoint is myopic. And a perfect example of reductio ad absurdum, as already pointed out. One hopes that you learn what the term means before you again reply...or, better yet, that you don't burden the board or yourself with yet more in-depth argumentation of such a ridiculous and substance-free asseveration.
Circular.
Raja Bell tonight vs. San Antonio.
0 points on 0-3 shooting from the field in 34 minutes.
Jazz owner didn't want to pay the MLE ($6 mil per) to Wesley Matthews, this is what you get.
Oh, and Al Jefferson has been a downgrade from Carlos Boozer.
How did the Jazz expect to compete after downgrading two spots in the starting lineup?
I wouldn't be surprised if the tailspin continues and the Jazz miss the playoffs.
Might as well trade D-Will now. Either way, he's gone.
0 points on 0-3 shooting from the field in 34 minutes.
Jazz owner didn't want to pay the MLE ($6 mil per) to Wesley Matthews, this is what you get.
Oh, and Al Jefferson has been a downgrade from Carlos Boozer.
How did the Jazz expect to compete after downgrading two spots in the starting lineup?
I wouldn't be surprised if the tailspin continues and the Jazz miss the playoffs.
Might as well trade D-Will now. Either way, he's gone.
unluckyseventeen
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will you stop bitching about this? Wes is'nt the permanent solution at SG. He is just another good role player like Milsap. No one thought that his contract was reasonable. I think even Porty did'nt think that his contract was reasonable. Looks like they just wanted to screwed us and in the end they ended up getting Mathews. Mathews might make them look smart now but I bet 29 other GMS in the league thought at the time that Porty was just playing hardball. Of course Porty has the deep pockets to do that.
And it is not like as if they knew all along that Mathews was going to average 16ppg for them this year, especially when they still had Brandon. If Brandon had been healthy WEs would be averaging 10-12 ppg at best coming off the bench.So dont act like as if Porty had him pegged for a starting spot and they smartly planned all this. They did'nt.
Mathews is just making the best of Roy's absence and credit goes to him for that.If Roy were healthy or if Wes was still with the Jazz he would be 10-12 ppg player at best.
Anyways, I liked Wes a lot but have gotten over his departure. I also realize he might be better than whoever we have at SG now, but he also isnt the long term solution at SG.We are'nt winning against the Lakers(or the Spurs of this year) with him at SG in a 7 game playoff series, without homecourt.
Also, We already have enough role players starting for us like Millsap and AK. We dont need another one. Right now this team looks like Deron+role players anyways on most nights.
If the Jazz let a guy like Iguodola or Jason Richardson or Eric Gordon get away you can bitch all you want. But nobody except Porty(who have deep pockets) wanted Wes for that price.
Sloan's glorious system...
"Jazz's Miles breaks it down again: "[The Lakers] take us out of our plays. They know the plays. They sit on them."
"Jazz's Miles breaks it down again: "[The Lakers] take us out of our plays. They know the plays. They sit on them."
Wesley Matthews tonight 2/5/2011:
31 pts. 4 rebs. 3 asts. 2 stls. 11-17 fg. 4-4 ft. 5-7 3fg.
Also couldn't help but notice Oklahoma City has a better backup PG than the Jazz have. Helped blow out the Jazz tonight. Fella by the name of Eric Maynor who played a productive 13 minutes and scored 10 points 4-4 from the field 2-2 from three point land with 3 assists. The Jazz were too cheap to pay even a quality backup PG.
31 pts. 4 rebs. 3 asts. 2 stls. 11-17 fg. 4-4 ft. 5-7 3fg.
Also couldn't help but notice Oklahoma City has a better backup PG than the Jazz have. Helped blow out the Jazz tonight. Fella by the name of Eric Maynor who played a productive 13 minutes and scored 10 points 4-4 from the field 2-2 from three point land with 3 assists. The Jazz were too cheap to pay even a quality backup PG.
Chad Feldheimer
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You can bitch that they made mistakes for letting some players go BUT to say they are cheap is just wrong. They have the 6th highest payroll in the NBA in probably the smallest market. So STFU about them being cheap. In fact they are the opposite of cheap.