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This season will vindicate Ty Corbin

Guess I just didn't understand the intricacies of Ty's offense and defense because I couldn't really follow either. I'm seeing a definite offensive system from Quin. Utah is getting plenty of open shots, but just not hitting them. Defensively, Utah has problems. Seems to me the initial help is weak (only 50-75% commitment) and the help off the help is non-existent.

Overall, I agree Ty shouldered too much blame. I wanted him gone, but I think many of us were calling last year a "GM tank." It was VERY clear from the moment the GS deal was made that DL was NOT going to provide a decent bench. The idea was to get a high draft pick. So Mission Accomplished on that. Now we just have to hope Dante stops playing like a ***** (and I mean no offensive to flowers when I say that).

This year is exactly the same. QS is installing systems, but we again have a very weak bench. Hood, Inlges and Exum are rookies. Gobert is a 2nd year player. Booker is tough, but by no means a guy who is going to light it up. Jazz are playing for another high pick. I guess the real debate is whether Hayward, Favors and Burks should have been traded for picks and the Jazz start from square 1. There was the Philly/Favors rumor and then denial so something was at least out there. And maybe if you dump those three, Utah could have very well contended with the 76er's for the worst record this year. Then with Okafor (or Towns) and Exum, Burke, Gobert and garbage, the Jazz try for the worst record again next season.
 
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Spinoza said:
The disagreement is entirely about long-term strategic thinking and risk-taking attitudes. Corbin for some reason -- it could have been FO directives -- acted as if developing for the future took a backseat to winning enough games to get swept in the playoffs.
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This is what I was driving at. Corbin was a scapegoat for all of our problems. I'm sure he made mistakes, but placing the majority of blame on Corbin was unfair, IMO.

Spinoza said:
Keep in mind I'm biased by relying on box scores and reading what people here had to say..
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Yeah, frustration has clouded the viewpoint of many fans when it comes to Corbin. Truthfully, the best coach in the league couldn't have made up for the fact that our team was bad, just plain bad.
 
freakazoid said:
This is what I was driving at. Corbin was a scapegoat for all of our problems. I'm sure he made mistakes, but placing the majority of blame on Corbin was unfair, IMO.



Yeah, frustration has clouded the viewpoint of many fans when it comes to Corbin. Truthfully, the best coach in the league couldn't have made up for the fact that our team was bad, just plain bad.
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Agree. But if I'm in the last year of my contract and want to remain in my job, you better believe I'm going to do exactly what my boss wants. I'm going to tell him my game plan and ask if he agrees with me. I seriously doubt DL wanted him to play RJ so much. And I'm pretty sure, based on the starting lineup we've seen for 21 games, DL would have probably told Ty to play Alec, Enes, Derrick, Trey and Gordon together as much as possible. It takes experience to play help defense effectively. It takes time together to develop offensive chemistry. I think - even with a new system - we'd be much further ahead this year if those 5 had started and finished 65-70 games together (adjusting for the injuries to Trey, Derrick, etc.).

Ty did take the blame. But he would have had something to confront DL with - and make a case for himself with the Millers - had he done what DL wanted.
 
Ya corbin got too much hate, but to act like he was not a bad coach is dumb too.

So many times he would make the wrong decision when the right decision was so obvious. I'm taking the most simple things...... favors should be the one doing the jump ball. On defensive possessions at the end of games you should play your best defensive players. If you need a three at the end of games probably go to randy foye rather than big al fit the airball.

It seemed like at least once every game he would make an amazingly dumb decision
 
freakazoid said:
This is what I was driving at. Corbin was a scapegoat for all of our problems. I'm sure he made mistakes, but placing the majority of blame on Corbin was unfair, IMO.



Yeah, frustration has clouded the viewpoint of many fans when it comes to Corbin. Truthfully, the best coach in the league couldn't have made up for the fact that our team was bad, just plain bad.
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Most of the complaints about Corbin have nothing to do with the quality of the team last year. We did not expect or even want to win. What we expected was for our vets who basically announced they were leaving after the year to not play so many minutes. To have an offense that looked like it belonged in a professional league and to have players play through the end of the year and not quit.
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He did not do any of the things that should have been his priority last year (or the year before). I'll not say everything was his fault. But he was probably the worst coach in the league for our team last year. We needed a coach that understood what we were trying to accomplish, he didn't. We needed a coach to plan for the future of the franchise, he didn't.
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That doesn't mean he was the worst coach (though I think he was). But he did not fit the direction of the team.
 
KD's Framily said:
Oldie, but goodie:

https://grantland.com/features/al-jefferson-paul-millsap-tyrone-corbin-future-utah-jazz/
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one of my favs
https://jazzfanatical.wordpress.com/2013/01/22/what-is-my-motivation-the-tyrone-corbin-edition/

Corbin was not a bad coach, he is just not exceptional. There are only 30 guys in the world that aspire to the job he got at any one time. It's not a freak accident he is a coach for the second time.

The thing is as fans we are looking for the exceptional, like once in a decade type coaches. We were spoiled to have Sloan and Johnson who made an impact immediately and took teams to the playoffs that were predicted to be in the toilet. QS is showing flashes of brilliance. The silent treatment, "wake up". Moments when a coaching decision made a huge impact on a game. Those are the type of moments that give us hope that we may have found one once again.
 
Just had to bump this back up. QS leading the Jazz to vast improvement. Tyrone Corbin recognized as a mistake in Sacramento.
 
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