This season will vindicate Ty Corbin

[gregbroncs]

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1. The Jazz's lead players last season were Gordo, Favors, Kanter, Burks and Burke. All of them were handed much larger roles than they had had in prior seasons. They all came into this season with virtually the same roles as last season, but with an additional year of experience.

2. Pretty much everyone knew Ty was on the way out at the start of last season. Quin came in with a fresh slate.

The team as a Whole though was quite a bit younger with less known impact players off of the bench.

 

[franklin]

Didn't have as much a problem with Kanter's minutes as much as I did the fact that Kanter and Burks couldn't crack the starting lineup over Marvin Williams and Richard Jefferson. That was my biggest issue. I'd prefer to have seen the Core young guys play together so that the front office could properly assess if they'd work together for the future. Especially in a season when wins and losses was NOTthe front office's primary goal for him - it was player development.

The problem here is you're mixing what you want to see as a fan with what the FO needs to see. You wanted to see if a certain group could play together and I get that frustration as much as the next fan. The FO, however, knew what they had and did not need to see them on the national stage to assess them as us fans do.

If this is why Corbin didn't play Kanter (plausable but who knows) then it shows he and the FO were not communicating effectively. I'll assign blame there 50/50 without knowing everything. If Corbin knew he wouldnt play Kanter he should have pushed the FO to trade him while his value was high. That leads back to the common critique of he didn't communicate.

But he also had a KOC with a foot out the door and what is assume was half interest.

So was Corbin right on Kanter? Possibly but obviously he and the FO were not on the same page then.

You're over complicating things. Last season was a developmental season. It wasn't Corbin's place to push for a trade (and Kanter's value wasn't ever higher except on draft day or some of his rookie season). It was his job to develop him and that's exactly what he did.


BTW, to answer your earlier thought, Kanter never really progressed from month to month on defense.

 

[franklin]

I also find it amusing that people are pointing to how young this year's squad is instead of their veteran status. Hayward just got a max deal, Burks got a **** ton, and Favors is widely thought to be on one of the best values in the NBA. Age does not equal young.

 

[The Midnight]

I also find it amusing that people are pointing to how young this year's squad is instead of their veteran status. Hayward just got a max deal, Burks got a **** ton, and Favors is widely thought to be on one of the best values in the NBA. Age does not equal young.

OK but have you factored in Burks' absent in your analysis? We could have been a lot worse this year had Ingles and Millsap not stepped up for us, and credit has to go to Quin for bringing them along as quick as he has.

 

[gregbroncs]

This form of disingenuous, pretend-to-care trolling from you has made the forum damn near unreadable. You should know when to stop, but still you don't. 100's of posts a day full of nothing but. Your spam trolling is overloading and crowds out anything worth reading. He's far less of a troll than you and far better poster





I think that's worth wondering over, but at the end of the day I don't buy it. Don't forget these guys practice more than they play, and it's not going to click in game if it's not clicking in practice. Besides, if he was given more minutes last season then who do they get taken away from without hurting the rest of the young players?During the season NBA teams don't practice very much. They definitely don't practice much more than they play if at all.




Completely disagree. Favors is getting the same looks as last year. This year he is converting a whole lot better. Hayward quit playing like a little bitch, preferring long twos over drives, and soft *** faders when he did drive. Quin's system might benefit him, but the vast majority of improvement came from Hayward. I still think he tanked last season anyway.

The last one is just wrong. The argument last year was Favors was not being used in the PNR enough. This year he is being used that way far more often. He has improved in the paint and in the post. But his rise has a lot to do with confidence he gained being used more where he is at his best. Add to that the attitude players brought to the season this year as opposed to previous ones. Favors and Hayward were both excited for this offense and they never showed that under Corbin. Maybe it's because they saw they had a better opportunity to succeed.

 

[gregbroncs]

Totally agree, but there is one point that I do agree with that Franklin made, and that is Hayward tanked, at least a bit, as the season rolled along. I think he was frustrated that he had to play with such a horrible coach after playing for such a good one at Butler, and I really think he was hoping he would get traded or somehow wind up with the Celtics. I can still see him rolling his eyes in the huddle when the TV cameras took shots of Corbin drawing up plays or discussing strategy.

If Corbin was still here Hayward would be playing on a one year tender. No way he signs a long term contract to play for Corbin.

 

[Stoked]

Snyder is on record as saying that they were going to go heavy on practice and film sessions this year. He reference their youth as both a need and an asset in that decision.

 

[franklin]

OK but have you factored in Burks' absent in your analysis? We could have been a lot worse this year had Ingles and Millsap not stepped up for us, and credit has to go to Quin for bringing them along as quick as he has.

Of course. Quin is much better at getting players to understand and buy in. That's one reason I think he's worth +1.5 wins per season over Corbin. In fact, if the CBA allowed him an extra month of training camp I think there's a good chance the Jazz are legitimately in the playoff hunt. It'll take almost 50 wins though, and that's too high a mark but at least they wouldn't be all but mathematically eliminated and in a race again.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Corbin is not a coach.

he sucks

The Kings trailed by one point with 51 seconds left. Dallas ran down the clock until Dirk Nowitzki missed a one-legged fader. But the loose ball was tapped deep into the backcourt, where Chandler Parsons tracked it down. Twenty-five seconds left, Dallas by one. Sacramento has a foul to give, and the Kings' Ray McCallum does so with 19 seconds left. There's a four-second differential between the shot clock and game clock, and Sacramento has plenty of timeouts.

Corbin has two options. He can foul immediately on the inbounds to put a Mav on the line with 16-18 seconds left and no worse than a three-point deficit, or he can let the shot clock run down, pray that the Mavericks miss and the Kings get the rebound and call a quick timeout, giving Sacramento a final chance to win.

Instead, Corbin chose Door No. 3: He let 10 seconds run off the clock before telling McCallum to foul Ellis.

Ellis hit both, and Rick Carlisle took the opportunity to intentionally foul Darren Collison given how little time was left. The Mavericks won by four and the Kings never even got a chance to tie or go ahead in that final minute.

Now if Corbin had explained that there was a miscommunication, that he intended to let the Mavericks shoot but saw something he didn't like, that he wanted his team to try to trap or whatever, you could almost understand.

Instead, this was Corbin's rationale. "Ty Corbin said when he saw Dallas take their time on final play, then decided to foul Monta Ellis"

So Corbin thought a veteran team coached by Rick Carlisle might rush up a shot with a 4-second shot clock differential and a one-point lead.

... what?

END of discussion about 3 years of coaching and thats his thinking?




HE SUCKS



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[Coach Ellis]

Snyder is on record as saying that they were going to go heavy on practice and film sessions this year. He reference their youth as both a need and an asset in that decision.

This is something that I approve of. Especially with the youngest players getting the bulk of the minutes. Get these kids the experience. Put it on film. Teach them what they're doing wrong (or right) and practice accordingly. Continue to evaluate and then build on that for the next game. Then repeat the process with each game, trying to get incrementally better with each one. So far it's working masterfully.

Quin is a leader and a teacher. And it shows in how he interacts with his players. Things will only get better with more experience together and better chemistry. These kids may have a lot of experience, but they are still young. One of the youngest teams in the league. Some nights they look like it (like tonight) and some nights their development looks light years ahead (like against Charlotte.) I think light years is the immediate future, and based on their improvement I ER the course of this season, I think they'll start playing like a good, confident team starting next year.

 

[LogGrad98]

I think that's worth wondering over, but at the end of the day I don't buy it. Don't forget these guys practice more than they play, and it's not going to click in game if it's not clicking in practice. Besides, if he was given more minutes last season then who do they get taken away from without hurting the rest of the young players?

Well, another way to look at that would be that practices this year must be far more effective than practices last year, considering his jump in performance.

As far as taking minutes away, there were plenty being given to rented vets. Did us no good.

 

[freakazoid]

It took Gobert what, about 1/3 of a season to really get going. Could he have done that last year with a solid chunk of starters minutes to get him going? Good question. I think there is a decent chance that it would have helped him a lot. What if he were at current, or close to current, form at the start of this season due to extra PT last year to work out the kinks?

This is all hindsight, though. At the time, Kanter was more time sensitive as an asset. Same thing with this season. Everybody knew Rudy deserved the starting role, but Utah was trying not to lose Kanter for nothing. To me, that suggests that the coach and GM are on the same page, otherwise if it was just about winning, I'd have to believe that Quin would have made the change sooner.