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This season will vindicate Ty Corbin

Last year team stats:
SRS: -6.26 (28th of 30)
Off Rtg: 103.5 (25th of 30)
Def Rtg: 111.3 (29th of 30)

This year team stats:
SRS: -0.57 (17th of 30)
Off Rtg: 105.8 (15th of 30)
Def Rtg: 107.8 (24th of 30) (and this has been much better since mid-december)

The win/loss column doesn't represent the improvements made by this team. We are much better than our 21-34 record would suggest.
 
I'd argue he fuels the hate. Corbin would be a mostly forgotten thing on Jazzfanz if not for Franklin's incessant trolling the topic.

I agree with this. I liked Corbin. I think he was a good guy and really helped players develop. He just wasnt quite cut to be a head coach yet, or ever. Trolls make you disagree to the point that you are way further over than you want to be on an issue.
 
Ty in "action" in Sactown. this kind of thing should not happen at the high school level and demonstrate that you are not cut out to get paid millions to strategize basketball games:

"The Kings trailed by one point with 51 seconds left. Dallas ran down the clock until Dirk Nowitzki missed a one-legged fader. But the loose ball was tapped deep into the backcourt, where Chandler Parsons tracked it down. Twenty-five seconds left, Dallas by one. Sacramento has a foul to give, and the Kings’ Ray McCallum does so with 19 seconds left. There’s a four-second differential between the shot clock and game clock, and Sacramento has plenty of timeouts.

Corbin has two options. He can foul immediately on the inbounds to put a Mav on the line with 16-18 seconds left and no worse than a three-point deficit, or he can let the shot clock run down, pray that the Mavericks miss and the Kings get the rebound and call a quick timeout, giving Sacramento a final chance to win.

Instead, Corbin chose Door No. 3: He let 10 seconds run off the clock before telling McCallum to foul Ellis.

Ellis hit both, and Rick Carlisle took the opportunity to intentionally foul Darren Collison given how little time was left. The Mavericks won by four and the Kings never even got a chance to tie or go ahead in that final minute.

Now if Corbin had explained that there was a miscommunication, that he intended to let the Mavericks shoot but saw something he didn’t like, that he wanted his team to try to trap or whatever, you could almost understand.

Instead, this was Corbin’s rationale.

Kings coach Ty Corbin said when he saw Dallas take their time on final play, then decided to foul Monta Ellis

— Sean Cunningham (@News10Sean) January 14, 2015

So Corbin thought a veteran team coached by Rick Carlisle might rush up a shot with a 4-second shot clock differential and a one-point lead.

… what?

This is the type of thing that drove Jazz faithful batty as Corbin coached that team and it has swaths of Sacramento again bemoaning the firing of Michael Malone. The mistake was bad enough in real time. Hearing Corbin’s explanation actually made it worse. That’s impressive.

Judging NBA coaches is extremely difficult and grading them out is one of the mysterious arts of NBA management. But when head coaches botch incredibly simple situations like this, it all becomes a little easier. There’s a basic threshold of strategic knowledge all NBA head coaches should be able to meet, and on Tuesday Corbin fell short. That matters."

LOL .. wow.
 
Ty in "action" in Sactown. this kind of thing should not happen at the high school level and demonstrate that you are not cut out to get paid millions to strategize basketball games:

"The Kings trailed by one point with 51 seconds left. Dallas ran down the clock until Dirk Nowitzki missed a one-legged fader. But the loose ball was tapped deep into the backcourt, where Chandler Parsons tracked it down. Twenty-five seconds left, Dallas by one. Sacramento has a foul to give, and the Kings’ Ray McCallum does so with 19 seconds left. There’s a four-second differential between the shot clock and game clock, and Sacramento has plenty of timeouts.

Corbin has two options. He can foul immediately on the inbounds to put a Mav on the line with 16-18 seconds left and no worse than a three-point deficit, or he can let the shot clock run down, pray that the Mavericks miss and the Kings get the rebound and call a quick timeout, giving Sacramento a final chance to win.

Instead, Corbin chose Door No. 3: He let 10 seconds run off the clock before telling McCallum to foul Ellis.

Ellis hit both, and Rick Carlisle took the opportunity to intentionally foul Darren Collison given how little time was left. The Mavericks won by four and the Kings never even got a chance to tie or go ahead in that final minute.

Now if Corbin had explained that there was a miscommunication, that he intended to let the Mavericks shoot but saw something he didn’t like, that he wanted his team to try to trap or whatever, you could almost understand.

Instead, this was Corbin’s rationale.

Kings coach Ty Corbin said when he saw Dallas take their time on final play, then decided to foul Monta Ellis

— Sean Cunningham (@News10Sean) January 14, 2015

So Corbin thought a veteran team coached by Rick Carlisle might rush up a shot with a 4-second shot clock differential and a one-point lead.

… what?

This is the type of thing that drove Jazz faithful batty as Corbin coached that team and it has swaths of Sacramento again bemoaning the firing of Michael Malone. The mistake was bad enough in real time. Hearing Corbin’s explanation actually made it worse. That’s impressive.

Judging NBA coaches is extremely difficult and grading them out is one of the mysterious arts of NBA management. But when head coaches botch incredibly simple situations like this, it all becomes a little easier. There’s a basic threshold of strategic knowledge all NBA head coaches should be able to meet, and on Tuesday Corbin fell short. That matters."


That narrative was purposefully misleading. The ball was in Dirk's hands and Corbin chose to send someone other than a clutch 90% free throw shooter to the line. It was brilliant end of game, in the moment coaching.


I'd argue he fuels the hate. Corbin would be a mostly forgotten thing on Jazzfanz if not for Franklin's incessant trolling the topic.

You are too slow to realize I'm not the one who keeps bumping this?
 
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That narrative was purposefully misleading. The ball was in Dirk's hands and Corbin chose to send someone other than a clutch 90% free throw shooter to the line. It was brilliant end of game, in the moment coaching.




You are too slow to realize I'm not the one who keeps bumping this?
Why would you bump a thread that shows how completely wrong you were? That is not what I was talking about with that post. The very creation of this thread is an example of what I was talking about.
 
I wonder if Corbin would have been fired if Hayward had not tanked last year and he wasn't forced by management to give Kanter so many undeserving minutes. Too bad for him that management caved in to fans and forced Corbin to go against the obvious.

Zero leadership ability. No clue what to do. Lack of respect and trust from players. Massive levels of incompetence. This is the essence of Tyrone Corbin.

Can you really not just admit you were wrong about him and move on?
 
Gregbroncs: I'd argue he fuels the hate. Corbin would be a mostly forgotten thing on Jazzfanz if not for Franklin's incessant trolling the topic.

I agree with this. I liked Corbin. I think he was a good guy and really helped players develop. He just wasnt quite cut to be a head coach yet, or ever. Trolls make you disagree to the point that you are way further over than you want to be on an issue.

Exactly, he just wouldn't stop. Corbin would do something dumb, as usual, and Franklin would jump to his defense. It got to be so annoying, especially because it was so obvious that not only was Corbin bad and most of Jazzfanz wanted to see him go, but you could tell the players felt the same way. And now Franklin points to the similar record. I can't remember when the Jazz have played with so much energy and passion. The Jazz under Corbin were never even close to this. If Franklin admitted he was wrong, I might have some respect for him, but I guess he's too small of a person to do that.
 
That said, there's no denying the team has really established a great identity under Quin. But don't forget they were not much better defensively at the first part of this year than last. The difference has really coincided with the rapid rise of Gobert and Dante's insertion into the starting line-up. And Lindsey has provided Snyder with a much better and deeper roster.


Has it occurred to you that the improvement of Hayward and Favors can be attributed to better coaching, at least in part? Hayward has suggested as much. Last year's roster had major issues, but come on. We're starting Joe Bagadonuts Ingles and giving a D-league call-up heavy minutes.

Bottom line is Corbin had a tough job, but he wasn't cut out for it anyway.



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Why would you bump a thread that shows how completely wrong you were? That is not what I was talking about with that post. The very creation of this thread is an example of what I was talking about.

I created this thread prior to the season as a prediction. I don't bump it to rub it in your face how wrong you were. That would be as lame as you crying that I made a prediction.
 
Has it occurred to you that the improvement of Hayward and Favors can be attributed to better coaching, at least in part? Hayward has suggested as much. Last year's roster had major issues, but come on. We're starting Joe Bagadonuts Ingles and giving a D-league call-up heavy minutes.

Bottom line is Corbin had a tough job, but he wasn't cut out for it anyway.



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Partially. But they came into the season vastly improved. A lot of that development was on their own. They've certainly continued to get better and Snyder has made this a better team. I wasn't saying Corbin was a great coach. I was saying he wasn't as bad as we made him out to be.
 
Zero leadership ability. No clue what to do. Lack of respect and trust from players. Massive levels of incompetence. This is the essence of Tyrone Corbin.

Can you really not just admit you were wrong about him and move on?

I bumped this today because the game against the Spurs last night once again showed how good Quin is with this team. This will be my last bump and last post on Ty, but I read something this afternoon that the timing is right for one last one.

I remember clearly when Ty got the job, he had no clue who he wanted for assistants. They added one fairly quickly and Horny what a month or so later. So then they were up to 2. The lack of planning and prep and foresight by Ty was appalling. If you think you might get a shot at HC, you have that list in your wallet all the time. So, yeah, the job came open in a big surprise but he still should have been way readier. That had me worried from the outset.

Sports Illustrated had a nice article about Steve Kerr taking over the Warriors. When Kerr decided that yes he wanted to get into coaching, he worked hard to assemble all his experience and ideas and work out plans and strategies going forward, along with a list of assistants he would want. When interviewed he had a long powerpoint presentation on all that, plus detailed strategies to develop each of their players. That is how it is done.
 
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