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This season will vindicate Ty Corbin

I don't think Corbin did a "good job." I think he did about as good as 80-90% of coaches would have done under the circumstances. He had the lost year where Sloan retired midway through. You could argue that year he did a bad coaching job, but most rookie coaches would in that situation. In the last 3 years he did about as good as any coach would have done. His first full season they were a playoff team, his second year they were above .500, and last year they were terrible. Maybe a few great coaches could have greatly exceeded those marks, but only a few select coaches like Pop, Larry Brown, etc... Fans often have higher expectations for their team than what is actually realistic. Corbin never had a team capable of winning a playoff series. His one year of failure was 2012-2013. That team could have made the playoffs, but many years 43-39 is good enough to make the playoffs. That roster was hardly capable of 50+ wins. For all the love Millsap and Jefferson have gotten, their teams were the 7th and 8th seeds last year in the lowly east and of course lost in the first round. Corbin hardly bombed in his 3 years. A great coach could have possibly won a few more games, but those teams easily could have lost a few more too. Nobody expected much from those Jazz teams outside a few homers in Utah.

The truth about the Jazz, is the Jazz do not have great players. There is not one guy on the team outside of maybe Exum that has potential to be a real superstar in this league, and Exum is extremely raw. I don't think Corbin was a great coach by any means, but I don't think Snyder is either. He will go as far as his players will take him similar to every other nba coaches with a few exceptions. I don't care that Corbin was replaced, but I wouldn't care if Snyder was replaced soon either. He should be the coach for a few years, but until the Jazz get better players it won't matter. The rest of the league is not fearful of Hayward and Kanter, sorry.
 
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No, NOT AT ALL.

Not until we give the 3 years chance to Quin that we gave to Corbin.
 
VoiceofSanity said:
I don't think Corbin did a "good job." I think he did about as good as 80-90% of coaches would have done under the circumstances. He had the lost year where Sloan retired midway through. You could argue that year he did a bad coaching job, but most rookie coaches would in that situation. In the last 3 years he did about as good as any coach would have done. His first full season they were a playoff team, his second year they were above .500, and last year they were terrible. Maybe a few great coaches could have greatly exceeded those marks, but only a few select coaches like Pop, Larry Brown, etc... Fans often have higher expectations for their team than what is actually realistic. Corbin never had a team capable of winning a playoff series. His one year of failure was 2012-2013. That team could have made the playoffs, but many years 43-39 is good enough to make the playoffs. That roster was hardly capable of 50+ wins. For all the love Millsap and Jefferson have gotten, their teams were the 7th and 8th seeds last year in the lowly east and of course lost in the first round. Corbin hardly bombed in his 3 years. A great coach could have possibly won a few more games, but those teams easily could have lost a few more too. Nobody expected much from those Jazz teams outside a few homers in Utah.

The truth about the Jazz, is the Jazz do not have great players. There is not one guy on the team outside of maybe Exum that has potential to be a real superstar in this league, and Exum is extremely raw. I don't think Corbin was a great coach by any means, but I don't think Snyder is either. He will go as far as his players will take him similar to every other nba coaches with a few exceptions. I don't care that Corbin was replaced, but I wouldn't care if Snyder was replaced soon either. He should be the coach for a few years, but until the Jazz get better players it won't matter. The rest of the league is not fearful of Hayward and Kanter, sorry.
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This is the voice of idiocy. Look at the difference in how the Jazz are playing. Yes, they made some bad turnovers and failed to defend the three, as the game progressed. It seemed they became a bit frazzled after they lost the lead. But they are playing so much better as a team than they did under Corbin. To make excuses for Corbin is being as blind as Franklin has been the last few years. So, the Jazz lose one game and now Snyder is no better than Corbin. Man, you are a total idiot.
 
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Thread is bookmarked. Will bump after 30 wins.
Of course, I expect the OP to just change the argument at that point and say the roster is better for Quin than it was for Ty.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
This is the voice of idiocy. Look at the difference in how the Jazz are playing. Yes, they made some bad turnovers and failed to defend the three, as the game progressed. It seemed they became a bit frazzled after they lost the lead. But they are playing so much better as a team than they did under Corbin. To make excuses for Corbin is being as blind as Franklin has been the last few years. So, the Jazz lose one game and now Snyder is no better than Corbin. Man, you are a total idiot.
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So if the Jazz win less than 30, are fans really going to pull the moral victory card? Doubt it. Also, I'm not going to neg your response to VOS, but I really should. At this point, you might just be overreacting to the fact that Frank has kinda trolled this board in the past with this subject. If you truly think VOS is an idiot, I'd like to see you respond point to point to his last post, which for the most part, I thought was pretty spot on.
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As for Snyder, I think it's too soon to be making judgement calls. However, I will say that even if he doesn't win more than 30, it won't prove much to me, as I also tend to believe that most fans overestimate the influence most coaches have on win/loss record.
 
VINYLONE said:
Ok. Set your parameters. How will we gauge this?
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Good point, as usual.

The baseline is "Jazz will be this year's Suns if they have a good coach like Hornacek". That's been the vocal expectation for a year and a half now. It's been laughable but let's accept it that's where we are at as a fan base.

48 wins. That's the parameter.
 
franklin said:
Good point, as usual.

The baseline is "Jazz will be this year's Suns if they have a good coach like Hornacek". That's been the vocal expectation for a year and a half now. It's been laughable but let's accept it that's where we are at as a fan base.

48 wins. That's the parameter.
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Considering that isn't close to the median prediction for wins here, that's a pretty lame parameter to set.
 
franklin said:
Good point, as usual.

The baseline is "Jazz will be this year's Suns if they have a good coach like Hornacek". That's been the vocal expectation for a year and a half now. It's been laughable but let's accept it that's where we are at as a fan base.

48 wins. That's the parameter.
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LOL!
 
franklin said:
Good point, as usual.

The baseline is "Jazz will be this year's Suns if they have a good coach like Hornacek". That's been the vocal expectation for a year and a half now. It's been laughable but let's accept it that's where we are at as a fan base.

48 wins. That's the parameter.
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Would be pretty pathetic if Snyder couldn't muster up that measley 23 extra wins than Vegas thinks we will have.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Would be pretty pathetic if Snyder couldn't muster up that measley 23 extra wins than Vegas thinks we will have.
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Or that franklin believes replacing

1. Jefferson with Hood
2. Marvin with Booker
3. Garrett with Exum

should bring Utah a 23-win improvement.
 
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