Pau Gasols teams went to the playoffs. Granted 1st round sweeps but I would not really count that as a bad record.
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Pau Gasols teams went to the playoffs. Granted 1st round sweeps but I would not really count that as a bad record.
Jefferson's not the best Center you could have. But why not try this starting front court combination:
C - Favors
PF - Millsap
You have your scoring with Millsap (as was seen by our previous game vs Lakers - the man can score! That frees up Favors to roam around blocking shots/rebounding. And the occasional put-backs and alley-oops.
Jefferson can then come in with the 2nd unit and I think he'll be more effective against 2nd rate defenders. I'm not big on Jefferson, but I do see that as a role that he could be useful in.
C - Favors
PF - Millsap
You have your scoring with Millsap (as was seen by our previous game vs Lakers - the man can score! That frees up Favors to roam around blocking shots/rebounding. And the occasional put-backs and alley-oops.
Jefferson can then come in with the 2nd unit and I think he'll be more effective against 2nd rate defenders. I'm not big on Jefferson, but I do see that as a role that he could be useful in.
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True.... i stand corrected and didn't use very good evidence, but my point remains.
basketball is a team sport and it seemed as if homeytennis was laying the blame for the poor records of the t-wolves, celts, and jazz all on big al.
bjunior
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Just start Favours and Millsap together. Make Al a backup C and give him no more than 20min.
Put him to opposite backup C and give him the chance to eat him.
But hey, no way TyC will make this happen. We will start BigAl (big salary) and Bell (veteran) until the chances of playoffs will be gone and everybody just don' care..
Put him to opposite backup C and give him the chance to eat him.
But hey, no way TyC will make this happen. We will start BigAl (big salary) and Bell (veteran) until the chances of playoffs will be gone and everybody just don' care..
No I agree with your point. Just pointing out the error on Pau. I lived in Memphis for years and if I was not a Jazz fan I would be a Grizzlies fan.
orangello
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I will have to respectfully disagree with you. I think his numbers are inflated and he hurts team morale. Nearly everyone I talk to feel like he is too soft. If the Jazz have hard working starters then they will create an environment that everyone will follow. I don't believe that Jefferson creates a hard -working environment. Millsap does though.
freakazoid
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I don't think you're following me. I'd be fine with Favors and Sap starting, but not until Al is traded. This is a rebuilding year. Seems to me a lot of Jazz fans want moves to try and improve us for the moment. If our FO decides they are going to keep him, then I have no problem expirementing with different line ups. OTOH, as long as it's up in the air that Al might be moved, we need to maximize his trade value for the good of the future.
orangello
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No, I completely understand what you are saying. I just disagree. Even without getting anything in return, trading Jefferson will help this team. They will build a new identity and everyone will have to step up a little more. Whenever DWill was out a game we saw this same thing happen. I think too many players rely on Jefferson and that is really hurting everyone. Just trade him even if you get nothing in return and it will make this team better.
freakazoid
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I care, and I didn't expect this team to make the playoffs this year anyway. Comments like this make wonder if some of you guys completely missed everything that happened last year.
Any moves made right now should not be shortsighted. Al's potential trade value is far more important than trying to win a few more games in the short term, which more than likely would have no other effect than making our draft pick slightly worse.
mtnbayou
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This.
freakazoid
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Didn't you start a thread about building a team to win a championship rather than being an 8 seed every year?
orangello
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Yes.
GVC
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Isn't it entirely possible that Al's trade value is/will be tied to the team's success? If that's the case, and both the Jazz and Al play better with Al anchoring the second unit, wouldn't the Jazz be better served playing Al off the bench? Not saying this is necessarily the case, but isn't it at least a possibility?
edit: Think Antawn Jamison landing the fifth overall pick (Devin Harris), Jerry Stackhouse and an aging Christian Laettner in a trade after his successful 03/04 season coming off the bench for Dallas.
bjunior
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I just want to say that the best guys should play more. And Al and Bell right now aren't the best guys. At least they had their chance.
ps. gee man, we try to discuss how the team should play better and not how to be in a good position a lottery draft
freakazoid
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Well, building for the future involves more than just getting another draft pick. Even with his contract, Al has the potential to bring back important building pieces in a trade. Sending him to the bench in an effort to win a few more games this year would be shortsighted. I'm not sure it would do much as far as winning games anyway, but it would be worth a try if Utah was in a position where a few more games would be the difference between making the playoffs or not. I don't believe that's the case.
More than likely, all this move would do is hurt Al's trade value. Even if it worked in winning a few more games, the diffence is probably just making our pick a little bit worse.
Very dissapointed in Big Al last night. He is one of the vets on the team, and was not prepared. This is unexceptable if he wants to be a starter on this team.
I'm sure he'll right the ship at some point like last year, but last night will not be forgotten.
Same for Raja.
I'm sure he'll right the ship at some point like last year, but last night will not be forgotten.
Same for Raja.
I just don't see any of Favors, Kantor, or Millsap defending other teams starting centers at this time. The first two, due primarily to youth, are not strong enough, the third not tall enough. We've traded away Okur. Who is supposed to guard Tyson Chandler, Marc Gasol, Andurew Bogut, Andrew Bynum, etc.?
If we trade Jefferson, we need to get a starting center back in return.
If we trade Jefferson, we need to get a starting center back in return.
The Thriller
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Jefferson and Favors don't compliment each other at all.
Favors and Millsap do.
To use the same spin that 1320 has been using regarding Millsap's benching... Jefferson isn't an elite player. So while he might do ok as a starter, he'll do fantastic in a 6th man role.
Bringing Jefferson off the bench is really, the best option we have regarding our BIG 3.
Favors and Millsap do.
To use the same spin that 1320 has been using regarding Millsap's benching... Jefferson isn't an elite player. So while he might do ok as a starter, he'll do fantastic in a 6th man role.
Bringing Jefferson off the bench is really, the best option we have regarding our BIG 3.