+1, well said
To all the Gordon Hayward Haters
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Lol, showing him having one bad game is no more telling of them as a player then referencing one good game for that player. I get your point but damn man come on.
trigg3r
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It does though. It shows that he is inconsistent. I am sure that Hayward will have a better go of it from here on out. That doesn't mean we should forget his early season struggles when contract negotiations come up. It seems like he has always struggled to start a season and then finished well. That's why I am on board with dealing him. His value is going to be inflated by his late season play IMO.
akirac73
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The #2 on the Pacers is probably Roy Hibbert. He'll probably be an All-Star and the Defensive Player of the Year, so to answer your question...Hayward is not better than the #2 on the Pacers. He would be the #3 or #4 guy on the team. Remember Lance Stephenson is having a hell of a year as well.
But if Hayward was on a team like Phoenix, New York, Denver, Milwaukee, Boston he'd be the #2 guy (at least).
b_line
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So that time Malone shot 1 for 16, showed how inconsistent he was then? Yep, that really makes ones point. Malone must have never been a good player at all, if he could only make one shot in an entire game. Should have never been considered for those multiple MVP seasons he had, nor the 14 all star selections, and the Hall of Fame. Wayyyyyyyyyyy too inconsistent if he can miss all those shots in one single game.
b_line
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I would argue that Hayward is a much better all around player than Hibbert. I think he is better than Lance Stephenson as well. If you don't think he is better than Lance, they are at least equal. Hibbert is good, but sooooo limited offensively, and so slow. He has one elite skill, and that is sticking his arms up straight and being taller than literally everyone else in the league that plays significant minutes.
jope
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ah, the CJ miles references.
I was curious, so i looked at Hollinger's "GameScore" statistic for both players (a '10' score being an average game, '40' being one of the best games ever){i know, it has its flaws, but i'm just looking for a quick way to summarize individual games of each players career}
in 8.5 Seasons, CJ has registered a gamescore of '20'+ seven (7) times, highest score ever - 33.0 (the 40 pt game while with UT).
Gordon hayward in 3.5 seasons, has registered a gamescore of '20'+ twenty (20) times, {21 if you count the 19.9 score he also got}, highest score ever - 36.3 (last night).
he's inconsistent. absolutely. but his lows are not nearly as low and he has many more (and better) highs than CJ ever did, all with half as long a career. Not to mention his offensive versatility, and his actual ability to play defense and rebound set him light years ahead of calvin.
The dude's a balla-shot-calla now.
he's also only 23 still and has a lot to learn about being consistent. The good part of that is that he still has the time (and the head, shame on you if you think gordon and CJ are on the same mental level, i guess they're both ****ty rappers, so... there's that i guess) to reach that consistency we all want.
I still have high hopes for the guy, and wish him great success, because intrinsically it will be our success that comes with his progression. i just cant see the FO moving him or passing on him this summer. period.
I was curious, so i looked at Hollinger's "GameScore" statistic for both players (a '10' score being an average game, '40' being one of the best games ever){i know, it has its flaws, but i'm just looking for a quick way to summarize individual games of each players career}
in 8.5 Seasons, CJ has registered a gamescore of '20'+ seven (7) times, highest score ever - 33.0 (the 40 pt game while with UT).
Gordon hayward in 3.5 seasons, has registered a gamescore of '20'+ twenty (20) times, {21 if you count the 19.9 score he also got}, highest score ever - 36.3 (last night).
he's inconsistent. absolutely. but his lows are not nearly as low and he has many more (and better) highs than CJ ever did, all with half as long a career. Not to mention his offensive versatility, and his actual ability to play defense and rebound set him light years ahead of calvin.
The dude's a balla-shot-calla now.
he's also only 23 still and has a lot to learn about being consistent. The good part of that is that he still has the time (and the head, shame on you if you think gordon and CJ are on the same mental level, i guess they're both ****ty rappers, so... there's that i guess) to reach that consistency we all want.
I still have high hopes for the guy, and wish him great success, because intrinsically it will be our success that comes with his progression. i just cant see the FO moving him or passing on him this summer. period.
b_line
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This just makes too much sense!
freakazoid
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So you admit he's Robin, but you want to keep him at a Batman price?
The point is the guy is inconsistent and isn't worth the money he's asking. He's not a superstar.
When the focus is off him and he is averaging 20,5,5,1,1 with decent D what would you pay for him? Also the Batman price is the max. 12 mill is not the max.
Edit: It's a shame how fast people turn on the players. The only way to tell who is right is time. Hayward will be for ever be under rated and an phenominal piece to place around a superstar.
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jope
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I would venture to say that most 2nd options on contenders usually make around what Hayward is looking for, some making more. It just becomes a question of can Hayward be that solid #2 guy, for not just a season but a career.
Very good question. I believe he can. Perhaps I am wrong but I think he can. Also I am very thrilled with his rebounding and assist numbers.
Thee Jazz Fan
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He actually got off to a quick start, then started to struggle, but it's looking like he's starting to pull out of his slump. In the past he usually starts to get hot somewhere around February or March.
last I checked it's still early season and he's put together 3 straight 20 point gams while shooting over 50%, and as I pointed out above, he got off to a good start. If I recall at one point he was at 19 points shooting 45% from the field, then teams started to try harder to take him out of his game, and that's when his struggles started. Hopefully he's starting to pull out of it with more then half the season to go.
I like Hayward over Lance, but to say he's better now then Hibbert now... I'm not so sure. I think he could end up being better, but not at this point. Right now Hibbert is the more accomplished player, and I'm about the biggest Hayward homer there is on jazzfanz
probably the best post in this thread. I throw up a little in my mouth whenever some dumbass compares him to CJ. CJ has never had anywhere near the responsibilitys Hayward has this year or any year CJ played for the jazz or Cavs.
one might argue that if we get Wiggins or Parker, that they will be much better for having played next to Hayward giving more value to Hayward. Agree with this.
da ThRONe
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He is the focal point of the entire offense. Having a game like this should happen. The problem with Hayward is he hasn't been doing so with any level of consistency and he was a TO machine before Burke came back.
Hayward has a bright future in the right role, however unless he takes a significant step he's not worth a max contract. Overpaying players in the NBA is never a good thing.
Hayward has a bright future in the right role, however unless he takes a significant step he's not worth a max contract. Overpaying players in the NBA is never a good thing.
Because, like his shooting % as the offensive focal point (overall) he was placed in a role that he is not the best at. You draft Parker and play Hayward with him and Burke and Hayward will dominate most opposing SG and average fantastic numbers. With a higher % and his TOs will stay about what they are now.