homeytennis
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Jingles had similar numbers in Europe and he turned out OK for us.
Tomic offered buyout:
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Jingles had similar numbers in Europe and he turned out OK for us.
Coach Ellis
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And if Tomic has half the personality that Jingles does, it will be well worth all the angst.
Seriously though. . . Quin Snyder is a coach that is favorable to international players because of his time under Messina. Plus, after they traded Kanter there were a number of times that they lined up Cooley and/or Evans at center. Good for them, but Tomic is a HUGE upgrade on both ends. The Jazz don't need him to be a star - just a capable backup who passes, scores some and gives a solid effort in team defense.
Stifle Tower
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As someone else pointed out, most European dates follow the dd/mm/yy protocol, so 03/06/15 would actually be the 3rd of June, not March 6th. The report also references the playoffs Tomic is currently competing in and that CSKA might be a suitor. So definitely NEW news,
I was responding to a specific article that was mentioned in the midst of the thread:
https://www.sportando.com/en/usa/nba/154549/jazz-will-reportedly-pay-the-buyout-for-ante-tomic.html
This was published 06/03/15 (March 6).
I wasn't responding to the reports originally got this round of Tomic talk going. I know they are "fresh" news.
Getting Traded
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Has anyone considered that Tomic and the Jazz are waiting for the draft, and if they land Kaminsky, then it will be a no go?
Cappy_Smurf
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No. Utah isn't going to waste Tomic as an asset over Frank. Tomic might influence the way Utah drafts, but the draft won't influence the decision on Tomic.
Stifle Tower
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Jazz won't base their draft on getting or not getting Tomic. If they think Kaminsky or Turmer are the BPA's at #12 (if they're on the board), they'll draft that player. Jazz basically have three bigs: Gobert, Favors and Booker. The nice thing about Favors is that he can play the 5 when Gobert sits, or he can become a full-time 4. I think he'd prefer to play 30 mins. at the 4, but he'll do what the Jazz ask. So that leaves open the possibility of drafting either a 4 or a 5. Jazz will carry at least 5 bigs, so there is also another roster spot open at the 4/5.
Unfortunately, the Jazz are prohibited from talking contract specifics with Tomic until July 1st. So he CAN'T make a decision to play with the Jazz before that date; he has no way of knowing what they'll offer. IMO, the BPA probably won't be Kaminsky at #12. Jazz would be better served taking a PF to prepare for Booker's free agency after next season. Trevor may get offered too much in a market where owners will be spending like drunken sailors.
And if they miss out on Kaminsky and Tomic, they'll bring Pleiss over, go after a different backup in FA, or simply rely on Favors as their backup 5. Utah has decent options and can respond to any scenario.
framer
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Why CAN"T we talk to the guy that we have rights to until July 1st? I assumed it was a courtesy while Tomic was still playing. We certainly wouldn't be tampering to speak to him early. If the Jazz have a number in mind, I'm sure Tomic knows what that is. And I'm sure the Jazz have an idea of the number he is looking for. I would suspect that number got larger which is why the door was thrust back open.
As far as the draft goes, we can stay at 12 and get a third big, which we need. Knowing we have Tomic means we can move up and get a Stanley, who is a luxury. That extra big slot needs to be filled, if we are able to do it with Tomic, THEN we are playing with House money in the draft giving us the ability to move up, or grab a wing if one happens to slip. If Tomic isn't coming, the wise thing to do would be to save resources and draft a decent big at #12 because there will be at least one of our targets available there.
Stifle Tower
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Even though we have his rights, the CBA states the Jazz can't talk about a contract until JUly 1st. It's the same with Jingles or any other player not under contract. It's a stupid rule and I'm sure the Jazz have managed to get around it a bit. That Tomic HASN'T signed a new contract after it was reported he had reached agreement in principle on one - indicates to me Utah probably DID reach his agent after that report and convinced him to wait. He likely has some ballpark figure his agent has "guessed" Utah might offer him.
It's really a wash in terms of wanting the draft before free agency or after. You could make an argument for either. I think before is probably better. Then you know what holes you need to fill when FA hits. Otherwise, you'd be more likely to draft for need.
Not sure if someone posted already, but good info on Tomic, Neto, and Pleiss:
https://saltcityhoops.com/international-qa-with-sam-meyerkopf-of-euroleague-adventures/
Article makes it seem that Tomic wants to come to the NBA, just not to Utah. If that is the case, what are Tomic's rights worth? If Utah packaged Tomic (the best center in Europe) plus the #12, how high can they move up in the draft? I wonder if Tomic is stalling on signing a deal with CSKA, Madrid, or Barcelona because he wants to see if he will be dealt from Utah pre-draft.
If Tomic guarantees to come over, would the Knicks (who would love a center with his offense in the triangle) trade the #4 for Tomic, the #12, and maybe the OKC pick?
The only other teams that could use a starting caliber center ahead of Utah in the draft are Charlotte, Miami, and Indiana, but that deal only makes sense if Tomic is 100% never coming to Utah and if players like Stanley Johnson or Booker drop that far. Plus, the only team out of that group that Tomic might be open to is Miami, as I can't see Indiana or Charlotte as that much more attractive to him than mega-cities like Barcelona or Moscow.
https://saltcityhoops.com/international-qa-with-sam-meyerkopf-of-euroleague-adventures/
Article makes it seem that Tomic wants to come to the NBA, just not to Utah. If that is the case, what are Tomic's rights worth? If Utah packaged Tomic (the best center in Europe) plus the #12, how high can they move up in the draft? I wonder if Tomic is stalling on signing a deal with CSKA, Madrid, or Barcelona because he wants to see if he will be dealt from Utah pre-draft.
If Tomic guarantees to come over, would the Knicks (who would love a center with his offense in the triangle) trade the #4 for Tomic, the #12, and maybe the OKC pick?
The only other teams that could use a starting caliber center ahead of Utah in the draft are Charlotte, Miami, and Indiana, but that deal only makes sense if Tomic is 100% never coming to Utah and if players like Stanley Johnson or Booker drop that far. Plus, the only team out of that group that Tomic might be open to is Miami, as I can't see Indiana or Charlotte as that much more attractive to him than mega-cities like Barcelona or Moscow.
