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Top 10 Best Jazz Players of All Time - Round 2 - Poll #1!!

Choose your TOP 10 from this list of 15!!

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Ok here is round 2, we have voted and pared the list of 50 down to 30, dropping the bottom 20 vote getters. We had a high of 71 voters, and a low of 58, so 13 people did not vote in every poll. Too bad, would have been nice for balance. This also skewed the total numbers. I will fix that in round 2 a b it with only 2 polls for the remaining 30, which will then get pared down to 20, which we will then vote on for the top 10 in franchise history!

In this first poll we have 15 randomized players from the list of 30 we generated in the voting for round 1. Please choose your top 10 players from this list. You may choose up to 10 players. This round will pare the list down to 20, which will then be put into a single poll for all the marbles. @Jason has graciously allowed us to expand the voting options from 10 to 20 for these polls. Thanks Jason!

Again, choose your top 10 players in each poll for round 2!!

NOTE: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE VOTE IN BOTH POLLS. I AM TRYING TO GET THEM OUT AS CLOSE TOGETHER AS POSSIBLE. @Jason OR OTHER MODS, PLEASE STICKY THESE IMMEDIATELY.

Here is the list for poll #1, with impact score (imp est) included:

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For fun, here is the list with the votes tallied, but also I added an "impact" score, which represents this formula:

* note all of these are per game averages from the data set I put together originally

Pts + Rebs + Assts + Stls + Blks - TO - PF = impact score

Then I sorted it by this impact score. I also included the total games each person played for the Jazz. I couldn't figure out a good way to weight this score by games played so I just included them. See how this pastes as a table. (eh, guess it is ok)

This total list is sorted by impact score, NOT by vote. Note the top 30 in this list would end at Ronnie Brewer. So we voted 5 people out of the top 30 that had higher impact on the game statistically than the 5 we voted into the top 30.

The ones voted out were (with impact score - vote total):

John Drew (20.4 - 4)
Ricky Rubio (18.9 - 16)
Gail Goodrich (17.6 - 11)
Rodney Hood (15.6 - 10)
Ronnie Brewer (14.6 - 16)

The ones voted in their places were these, that were actually in the bottom 20 for statistical impact:

Mark Eaton (13.9 - 68)
Joe Ingles (13.2 - 56)
Bryon Russell (12.2 - 45)
Alec Burks (11.8 - 22)
Kyle Korver (10.9 - 44) - Kyle was the lowest impact score of anyone voted into the top 30

And again, poor Greg Foster came in dead last. Here are the bottom 5 by vote (with vote and impact score this time):

Jarron Collins (3 - 5.5)
Gordon Giricek (2 - 9.9)
Felton Spencer (1 - 10.7) - higher impact score than 10 other people
David Benoit (1 - 10.1) - higher impact score than 9 other people
Greg Foster (0 - 5) - ok legit he had the lowest impact score of everyone, so this fits

Last but not least, the top 5, first list top 5 by vote, second list top 5 by impact score. Remember not everyone voted in every poll, so this is skewed to the poll #1:

By vote:
Deron Williams (70 - 25.2)
Jeff Hornacek (68 - 18.9)
Mark Eaton (68 - 13.9)
Pete Maravich (67 - 29.9)
Carlos Boozer (63 - 28.3)

By impact score:
Truck Robinson (35.2 - 31)
Karl Malone (35.1 - 59)
Adrian Dantley (34.5 - 55)
Pete Maravich (29.9 - 67)
Donovan Mitchell (28.9 - 67)

And finally, to fuel our ongoing Mitchell vs Gobert debate, here are there numbers side by side:

Donovan Mitchell (62 votes - 28.9 impact score (#5))
Rudy Gobert (55 votes - 24.1 impact score (#9))


NameGImp EstVotes
Truck Robinson12535.231
Karl Malone143435.159
Adrian Dantley46134.555
Pete Maravich33029.967
Donovan Mitchell34528.962
Al Jefferson22128.747
Carlos Boozer35428.263
Deron Williams43925.270
Rudy Gobert61124.155
John Stockton150423.362
Bojan Bogdanovic20421.445
Mehmet Okur47421.256
Donyell Marshall13920.828
Gordon Hayward51620.853
Mike Conley17020.723
Jeff Malone27920.631
John Drew14420.44
Jordan Clarkson18920.243
Andrei Kirilenko68120.157
Jeff Hornacek47718.968
Ricky Rubio14518.916
Darrell Griffith76518.854
Thurl Bailey70818.856
Ricky Green60618.738
Paul Millsap54018.559
Derrick Favors64417.953
Gail Goodrich18217.611
Rodney Hood22715.610
Matt Harpring47414.951
Ronnie Brewer26614.616
Mark Eaton87513.968
Joe Ingles59013.256
Bryon Russell62812.245
Alec Burks38211.822
Jeff Wilkins42711.78
Royce O'Neale37011.120
Blue Edwards26111.111
Kyle Korver23410.944
Raja Bell24710.813
Felton Spencer18410.71
David Benoit41510.11
Gordon Giricek2269.92
Greg Ostertag7009.813
Shandon Anderson1979.29
Bobby Hansen4719.23
Howard Eisley4358.35
Antoine Carr3068.219
Chris Morris1938.111
Jarron Collins4805.53
Greg Foster27250
 
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@Jason or some mod please sticky these threads.
 
With 25 voters in this one so far, we have FOUR consensus votes: Karl Malone, Rudy Gobert, Donovan Mitchell and Deron Williams.

That tells me that Utahjazz32 and Young Jefe aren't voting. Darn that suspension! lol



Interesting that Dantley only has 24 votes.
 
I'll just be honest in that either I had to see the person play or hear a lot about their time with the Jazz to vote for them. A few of these guys were probably way more valuable to the team than some of the guys I'm picking.

I'll also cop to recency bias for the fringe picks.
 
I am surprised Clarkson is not being voted up here. He is the only Jazz player to ever win 6th man of the year, and it was during the year we were the overall #1 team, best record. I think in his 3 seasons he has had a pretty big impact. I voted for him over Jeff Malone and Derrick Favors.
 
Gameface said:
I'll just be honest in that either I had to see the person play or hear a lot about their time with the Jazz to vote for them. A few of these guys were probably way more valuable to the team than some of the guys I'm picking.

I'll also cop to recency bias for the fringe picks.
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I am sure most people are like this. I had to really scour the early years to find the best players to represent so I wasn't just overwhelmed by recency bias in general. It was tough.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I am surprised Clarkson is not being voted up here. He is the only Jazz player to ever win 6th man of the year, and it was during the year we were the overall #1 team, best record. I think in his 3 seasons he has had a pretty big impact. I voted for him over Jeff Malone and Derrick Favors.
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It was a hard-ish choice but he just hasn't been with the team very long.
 
LogGrad98 said:
With 25 voters in this one so far, we have FOUR consensus votes: Karl Malone, Rudy Gobert, Donovan Mitchell and Deron Williams.

That tells me that Utahjazz32 and Young Jefe aren't voting. Darn that suspension! lol



Interesting that Dantley only has 24 votes.
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Too bad there isn't some sort of intangibles score that could be added to the impact score. Mark Eaton and Rudy Gobert would have high intangibles scores because of the massive impact they made on the defensive end. Defensive intimidation is unmeasurable, especially with Rudy. Hornacek's intangibles score would be high in my book as well, simply because of the way he came in and had an immediate impact without disrupting the flow of Stockton-Malone.
 
Thejazzkickazz said:
Too bad there isn't some sort of intangibles score that could be added to the impact score. Mark Eaton and Rudy Gobert would have high intangibles scores because of the massive impact they made on the defensive end. Defensive intimidation is unmeasurable, especially with Rudy. Hornacek's intangibles score would be high in my book as well, simply because of the way he came in and had an immediate impact without disrupting the flow of Stockton-Malone.
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Yeah I wish that we had stats like that, even like screen assists, or plays disrupted at the rim. I know we saw countless times players dribble into the lane and simply turn away when Gobert came at them. No metric for that. He doesn't get credit in any way if they don't directly challenge him and give him a chance for a block or to keep that low at-the-rim FG%. "Turn-aways" should be a thing.
 
Gameface said:
I'll just be honest in that either I had to see the person play or hear a lot about their time with the Jazz to vote for them. A few of these guys were probably way more valuable to the team than some of the guys I'm picking.

I'll also cop to recency bias for the fringe picks.
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Agreed. I have no idea who the hell truck robinson is.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I am surprised Clarkson is not being voted up here. He is the only Jazz player to ever win 6th man of the year, and it was during the year we were the overall #1 team, best record. I think in his 3 seasons he has had a pretty big impact. I voted for him over Jeff Malone and Derrick Favors.
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I voted both of those two over clarkson. He did have that one great year but hasn't been here very long and last year was an inefficient chucker who doesn't play defense (which can kind of sum up his career). Great personality and when he is on he is amazing but too often he is off and he never ever plays defense.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
How on Earth is Clarkson ahead of Conley?

Conley was an All Star with the Jazz.
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He had a cooler nickname?

But I'd say it was the 6th man of the year thing and that many people see Conley as an overall negative player for the team, as good as he is.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Ok here is round 2, we have voted and pared the list of 50 down to 30, dropping the bottom 20 vote getters. We had a high of 71 voters, and a low of 58, so 13 people did not vote in every poll. Too bad, would have been nice for balance. This also skewed the total numbers. I will fix that in round 2 a b it with only 2 polls for the remaining 30, which will then get pared down to 20, which we will then vote on for the top 10 in franchise history!

In this first poll we have 15 randomized players from the list of 30 we generated in the voting for round 1. Please choose your top 10 players from this list. You may choose up to 10 players. This round will pare the list down to 20, which will then be put into a single poll for all the marbles. @Jason has graciously allowed us to expand the voting options from 10 to 20 for these polls. Thanks Jason!

Again, choose your top 10 players in each poll for round 2!!

NOTE: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE VOTE IN BOTH POLLS. I AM TRYING TO GET THEM OUT AS CLOSE TOGETHER AS POSSIBLE. @Jason OR OTHER MODS, PLEASE STICKY THESE IMMEDIATELY.

Here is the list for poll #1, with impact score (imp est) included:

View attachment 12570

For fun, here is the list with the votes tallied, but also I added an "impact" score, which represents this formula:

* note all of these are per game averages from the data set I put together originally

Pts + Rebs + Assts + Stls + Blks - TO - PF = impact score

Then I sorted it by this impact score. I also included the total games each person played for the Jazz. I couldn't figure out a good way to weight this score by games played so I just included them. See how this pastes as a table. (eh, guess it is ok)

This total list is sorted by impact score, NOT by vote. Note the top 30 in this list would end at Ronnie Brewer. So we voted 5 people out of the top 30 that had higher impact on the game statistically than the 5 we voted into the top 30.

The ones voted out were (with impact score - vote total):

John Drew (20.4 - 4)
Ricky Rubio (18.9 - 16)
Gail Goodrich (17.6 - 11)
Rodney Hood (15.6 - 10)
Ronnie Brewer (14.6 - 16)

The ones voted in their places were these, that were actually in the bottom 20 for statistical impact:

Mark Eaton (13.9 - 68)
Joe Ingles (13.2 - 56)
Bryon Russell (12.2 - 45)
Alec Burks (11.8 - 22)
Kyle Korver (10.9 - 44) - Kyle was the lowest impact score of anyone voted into the top 30

And again, poor Greg Foster came in dead last. Here are the bottom 5 by vote (with vote and impact score this time):

Jarron Collins (3 - 5.5)
Gordon Giricek (2 - 9.9)
Felton Spencer (1 - 10.7) - higher impact score than 10 other people
David Benoit (1 - 10.1) - higher impact score than 9 other people
Greg Foster (0 - 5) - ok legit he had the lowest impact score of everyone, so this fits

Last but not least, the top 5, first list top 5 by vote, second list top 5 by impact score. Remember not everyone voted in every poll, so this is skewed to the poll #1:

By vote:
Deron Williams (70 - 25.2)
Jeff Hornacek (68 - 18.9)
Mark Eaton (68 - 13.9)
Pete Maravich (67 - 29.9)
Carlos Boozer (63 - 28.3)

By impact score:
Truck Robinson (35.2 - 31)
Karl Malone (35.1 - 59)
Adrian Dantley (34.5 - 55)
Pete Maravich (29.9 - 67)
Donovan Mitchell (28.9 - 67)

And finally, to fuel our ongoing Mitchell vs Gobert debate, here are there numbers side by side:

Donovan Mitchell (62 votes - 28.9 impact score (#5))
Rudy Gobert (55 votes - 24.1 impact score (#9))


NameGImp EstVotes
Truck Robinson12535.231
Karl Malone143435.159
Adrian Dantley46134.555
Pete Maravich33029.967
Donovan Mitchell34528.962
Al Jefferson22128.747
Carlos Boozer35428.263
Deron Williams43925.270
Rudy Gobert61124.155
John Stockton150423.362
Bojan Bogdanovic20421.445
Mehmet Okur47421.256
Donyell Marshall13920.828
Gordon Hayward51620.853
Mike Conley17020.723
Jeff Malone27920.631
John Drew14420.44
Jordan Clarkson18920.243
Andrei Kirilenko68120.157
Jeff Hornacek47718.968
Ricky Rubio14518.916
Darrell Griffith76518.854
Thurl Bailey70818.856
Ricky Green60618.738
Paul Millsap54018.559
Derrick Favors64417.953
Gail Goodrich18217.611
Rodney Hood22715.610
Matt Harpring47414.951
Ronnie Brewer26614.616
Mark Eaton87513.968
Joe Ingles59013.256
Bryon Russell62812.245
Alec Burks38211.822
Jeff Wilkins42711.78
Royce O'Neale37011.120
Blue Edwards26111.111
Kyle Korver23410.944
Raja Bell24710.813
Felton Spencer18410.71
David Benoit41510.11
Gordon Giricek2269.92
Greg Ostertag7009.813
Shandon Anderson1979.29
Bobby Hansen4719.23
Howard Eisley4358.35
Antoine Carr3068.219
Chris Morris1938.111
Jarron Collins4805.53
Greg Foster27250
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My god, someone voted for Collins?
 
LogGrad98 said:
It was a lifetime achievement award, let's be real.
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It wasn't. He was arguably our 2nd most impactful player that year. He was so good. Even if he wasn't a top tier one, he was still leagues better than JC on both ends. Extreme recency bias
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
It wasn't. He was arguably our 2nd most impactful player that year. He was so good. Even if he wasn't a top tier one, he was still leagues better than JC on both ends. Extreme recency bias
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Recency bias? It was last freaking year! lmao
 
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