Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

[Rubashov]

No.

Police are still funded in SF.

The problem here is not about how many police officers are getting overtime pay. The problems in SF are multifaceted and deeper than "more cops = less crime".

America has too many layers of law enforcement, should be simple, federal police, state police, having policing run my mayors and elected sheriffs is ridiculous. Professional, centralised state run service its how most countries do things in the 21st century.

 

[Sardines]

America has too many layers of law enforcement, should be simple, federal police, state police, having policing run my mayors and elected sheriffs is ridiculous. Professional, centralised state run service its how most countries do things in the 21st century.

It's the way it should be. More uniform (pun intended) enforcement, better training, higher professionalism, more bang (pun intended) for the buck.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

It's the way it should be. More uniform (pun intended) enforcement, better training, higher professionalism, more bang (pun intended) for the buck.

That is the worst thing you could do to law enforcement for two reasons. The first is that it would make law enforcement entirely unaccountable to the people being policed. It would effectively turn all police into the FBI. Being real for a moment, how easy do you think it would be for you to get the FBI to change a policy you disagreed with? What would you do? Make a complaint to the head of the FBI in Washington DC? Write to the President? San Francisco is a perfect example where an errant course of action was changed due to mayor London Breed being local and directly accountable.

The second reason is that the whole law enforcement apparatus becomes more brittle do to the inflexibility of having a single point of control. Distributed systems are more resilient, and law enforcement is no exception. If the law enforcement is uniform, then there is no escaping bad policing because it is the same everywhere, and I guarantee you it will never be the perfect utopia police you have pictured in your mind if only you give total control of it to the Executive Branch in Washington DC.

We have so many layers of law enforcement in order to provide more accountability to those being policed. We have a Federal Police, but States are allowed to set up their own and they'll have jurisdictional control if they do. Counties are allowed to set up their own and they'll have jurisdictional control if they do. Towns are allowed to set up their own and they'll have jurisdictional control if they do. If a town doesn't choose to set up their own police then they can use the county law enforcement agency. If a county doesn't choose to set up a law enforcement agency then they can use the state's law enforcement, and if a state decided they didn't want to do law enforcement then they could use the federal's law enforcement. The whole system is designed to be as locally controlled and locally accountable as those being policed want it to be.

 

[Sardines]

That is the worst thing you could do to law enforcement for two reasons. The first is that it would make law enforcement entirely unaccountable to the people being policed. It would effectively turn all police into the FBI. Being real for a moment, how easy do you think it would be for you to get the FBI to change a policy you disagreed with? What would you do? Make a complaint to the head of the FBI in Washington DC? Write to the President? San Francisco is a perfect example where an errant course of action was changed due to mayor London Breed being local and directly accountable.

The second reason is that the whole law enforcement apparatus becomes more brittle do to the inflexibility of having a single point of control. Distributed systems are more resilient, and law enforcement is no exception. If the law enforcement is uniform, then there is no escaping bad policing because it is the same everywhere, and I guarantee you it will never be the perfect utopia police you have pictured in your mind if only you give total control of it to the Executive Branch in Washington DC.

We have so many layers of law enforcement in order to provide more accountability to those being policed. We have a Federal Police, but States are allowed to set up their own and they'll have jurisdictional control if they do. Counties are allowed to set up their own and they'll have jurisdictional control if they do. Towns are allowed to set up their own and they'll have jurisdictional control if they do. If a town doesn't choose to set up their own police then they can use the county law enforcement agency. If a county doesn't choose to set up a law enforcement agency then they can use the state's law enforcement, and if a state decided they didn't want to do law enforcement then they could use the federal's law enforcement. The whole system is designed to be as locally controlled and locally accountable as those being policed want it to be.

The local police don't answer to the people and they never have. They answer to the people with money. They protect businesses from the people. They protect the wealthiest most powerful people. The more localized you can get the police the smaller, less wealthy, and less powerful the people in charge have to be, so in some middle sized rural town the guy who runs the chicken nugget factory gets to tell the cops what to do. They essentially become his little band of thugs and carry out his petty tyrant fantasies.

I'm tempted to get into a deeper discussion on what I think the essence of law enforcement should be, but it's enough for me to say that the things I value do not improve because some podunk town decides to have their own police department.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Just a reminder that SF’s murder rate is significantly lower than cities in red states. Or red states in particular. It’s not like Mississippi or Arkansas are actually managed well. Anyone here want to retire to West Virginia? North Dakota, lovely place.

SF gets a disproportionate amount of attention by the right because it has become the symbol for everything the right hates. But it’s not like the majority of red towns or states are managed well. In fact, most with intelligence or talent leave those **** holes and build their lives in coastal cities, like San Francisco.

Might be a good study for someone more interested in this subject. Is one of the reasons why so many in red areas kill themselves off with drugs and guns because they hate where they live? Is it because they live with guilt knowing that those more talented or ambitious left their towns when they could? Seems like there might be a connection between the ****** quality of life in red **** holes and their divorce rates, murder rates, and crime rates.

 

[Rubashov]

Just a reminder that SF’s murder rate is significantly lower than cities in red states. Or red states in particular. It’s not like Mississippi or Arkansas are actually managed well. Anyone here want to retire to West Virginia? North Dakota, lovely place.

SF gets a disproportionate amount of attention by the right because it has become the symbol for everything the right hates. But it’s not like the majority of red towns or states are managed well. In fact, most with intelligence or talent leave those **** holes and build their lives in coastal cities, like San Francisco.

Might be a good study for someone more interested in this subject. Is one of the reasons why so many in red areas kill themselves off with drugs and guns because they hate where they live? Is it because they live with guilt knowing that those more talented or ambitious left their towns when they could? Seems like there might be a connection between the ****** quality of life in red **** holes and their divorce rates, murder rates, and crime rates.

I would say there is a pretty good correlation between ease of access to firearms and homicide rates.... Aside from anything else it is much easier to kill with a gun than with other means.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Just a reminder that SF’s murder rate is significantly lower than cities in red states.

Cities in red states are blue areas. As for SF being highlighted, it was because the U-Haul was stolen while in SF.

 

[Sardines]

To be a red state or a blue state you really only need something like a 55% to 45% edge.

There are more "republicans" in CA than in any other state west of the Mississippi, save Texas.

 

[Sardines]

Police seize $100,000 cash from veteran who did nothing wrong and had receipts for the money. Based on? Oh well when they showed the cash to their drug dog it signaled that it smelled like drugs. The majority of U.S. currency has traces of cocaine on it and will pretty much always cause a drug dog to alert.

 

[Rubashov]

Police seize $100,000 cash from veteran who did nothing wrong and had receipts for the money. Based on? Oh well when they showed the cash to their drug dog it signaled that it smelled like drugs. The majority of U.S. currency has traces of cocaine on it and will pretty much always cause a drug dog to alert.

What do veterans need money for?

 

[Sardines]

What do veterans need money for?

Good point. Hopefully that PD is able to buy an armored personal carrier with the money they seized so they can more effectively serve their community.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Good point. Hopefully that PD is able to buy an armored personal carrier with the money they seized so they can more effectively serve their community.

It was $87k, not $100k, and the retired Marine had all of the money returned to him. Carry on.