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I just dont see how anything happens seeing as the Jazz are:

1. Too cheap. They are dealing 2nd rounders to save pennies and dealing 1st rounders to save money as well. And that was when the team had hopes of being elite again this year. Now that we are back to just being a very good team, I doubt Ryan Smith is going to suddenly start spending. I don't see them dealing expiring contracts to get back long-term money like a Marcus Smart. Best case scenario is we trade Ingles for a dude(s) who makes around MLE money next year, so it would essentially act as our MLE signing for 2022-2023.

2. They don't have any good picks to trade

3. Clarkson is either untradeable without giving up assets, the Jazz are unwilling to trade him because Mitchell likes him, or the Jazz are unwilling to trade him because they think the gamble of him getting hot at the right time is better than what they could get for him. The Jazz for some stupid reason gave dude a player option, so he likely has 2 years left on his deal after this year.

So basically I think the only thing the Jazz do is maybe trade Ingles for a dude like Justin Holiday and Torrey Craig if Indy shops these dudes and realize they can't get back any draft capital for them, so they simply deal them for an expiring contract.

That would mean they have Holiday/Craig under contract next year for around 10 million combined. That might be too much for Utah tbh.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Well here’s an idea to blow everyone’s minds:

Prepare to sign him next offseason. Which means get off Clarkson’s money, and probably Mike. Maybe Royce but not necessarily? I’d have to run the numbers better but it might be within the realm of possibility?

Jerami Grant expires next year also FWIW.
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I agree. If we can use our older guys, expirings, etc by this deadline or this summer to add a good, young piece next to Don and Rudy, we have a really good chance of spending big in summer 2023 on a guy like Grant or Brown. I don't think we can get Brown or Grant now, but maybe we could get them in 2023.
 
I have zero problem bringing in guys that players get along with if they are homies. As long as you don't pay a large premium to do so its just fine. Part of getting your best out of players is having them happy. Having guys around that are cool with each other will likely make them happier.

I'd actually love to land one of Rudy's homies. Not to create clicks but to help him have someone that understands him and can tell him when he needs to chill. Who does Rudy vibe with on this squad? Hassan?
 
LoPo said:
I agree. If we can use our older guys, expirings, etc by this deadline or this summer to add a good, young piece next to Don and Rudy, we have a really good chance of spending big in summer 2023 on a guy like Grant or Brown. I don't think we can get Brown or Grant now, but maybe we could get them in 2023.
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Well here’s another thing: if Grant is an expiring that year, ****, maybe that makes it extra valuable to get him now. It would serve multiple purposes:
-good player now, builds the argument that we’re a sick franchise
-expiring contract to chase Brown
-potential option to pivot back to if Brown falls through as we’d have bird rights.

We’d also know how he actually works on THIS team instead of guessing/hoping.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I just dont see how anything happens seeing as the Jazz are:

1. Too cheap. They are dealing 2nd rounders to save pennies and dealing 1st rounders to save money as well. And that was when the team had hopes of being elite again this year. Now that we are back to just being a very good team, I doubt Ryan Smith is going to suddenly start spending. I don't see them dealing expiring contracts to get back long-term money like a Marcus Smart. Best case scenario is we trade Ingles for a dude(s) who makes around MLE money next year, so it would essentially act as our MLE signing for 2022-2023.

2. They don't have any good picks to trade

3. Clarkson is either untradeable without giving up assets, the Jazz are unwilling to trade him because Mitchell likes him, or the Jazz are unwilling to trade him because they think the gamble of him getting hot at the right time is better than what they could get for him. The Jazz for some stupid reason gave dude a player option, so he likely has 2 years left on his deal after this year.

So basically I think the only thing the Jazz do is maybe trade Ingles for a dude like Justin Holiday and Torrey Craig if Indy shops these dudes and realize they can't get back any draft capital for them, so they simply deal them for an expiring contract.

That would mean they have Holiday/Craig under contract next year for around 10 million combined. That might be too much for Utah tbh.
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I think something happens. It will either be:

1- something meaningful that costs us a first that will scare us a little.
2- Window dressing... like the Craig/Holiday deal.
3- Worst case... and the deal everyone hates but local media will defend... we send another second out with Joe for a slightly smaller contract... like to NOP for Satoransky... and Ryan saves a few bucks.

I don't know what the "right" move is... I wish I knew more about the psyche of the players and their willingness to really buy in... that will have more to do with our success than any move we make. I don't see the move that is worth it two years from now. I think we more likely make a RoCo type mistake like Portland did.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I have zero problem bringing in guys that players get along with if they are homies. As long as you don't pay a large premium to do so its just fine. Part of getting your best out of players is having them happy. Having guys around that are cool with each other will likely make them happier.

I'd actually love to land one of Rudy's homies. Not to create clicks but to help him have someone that understands him and can tell him when he needs to chill. Who does Rudy vibe with on this squad? Hassan?
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They got rid of Neto. Reacquire him. Give Rudy a buddy.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
We havent heard a ****ing peep about Clarkson being on the trade block since he has been here.
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Larsen has indicated he's on the block in a couple different pods. I want to say I heard some rumblings elsewhere like Jake Fisher.

I don't think he is untouchable by any means. His value just might not be that great.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Well here’s another thing: if Grant is an expiring that year, ****, maybe that makes it extra valuable to get him now. It would serve multiple purposes:
-good player now, builds the argument that we’re a sick franchise
-expiring contract to chase Brown
-potential option to pivot back to if Brown falls through as we’d have bird rights.

We’d also know how he actually works on THIS team instead of guessing/hoping.
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Good points too.

If we truly are "all in", we have to do something before the deadline. I think we need to do something with Clarkson and Ingles' expiring. Might as well be bold.
 
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