Trade deadline discussion

[LogGrad98]

I supported the direction this franchise had gone in up until late fall / early winter of Donovan’s rookie year when we knew what we had. It was then apparent that the window was opened and we needed to get aggressive. Most everyone was still in tank and asset acquisition mode because Rudy being out artificially depressed our record. Since then we have been too slow and half-assed to aggressively take advantage of the window. DL wanted to “keep dat powder dry” and waited until our option was a narrow focus on Conley. And now we’re wasting this window by not realizing it’s closing. It’s likely going to close not naturally, but with help. Our bad decisions and indecisions will lead to the same lackluster results that we will then conclude there’s not a pathway forward and make a “large pivot” that likely won’t be successful, and when we go through a serious lull that we were spared from after Hayward left, we’re going to look back at how far we’ve fallen and wonder how we ****ed this up so bad.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Mike Conley is a great player and a good dude. That doesn't mean he was a great fit for what we needed.

Derrick Favors was a good player and a great dude, but he didn't fit what we needed.

Mike Conley is a damn near perfect fit.

He's a good defender, he's a great PG and leader, he's AN ELITE SHOOTER, he doesnt hog the ball. I could go on and on.

He's a ****ing amazing fit for Mitchell and Gobert.

The only issue is playoff health, and that is just bad luck. If he's healthy for either years in the playoffs, the Jazz go to the Conference Finals in both years. He has been that elite in the playoffs.

 

[NUMBERICA]

He likely ended up with some of the Ed Davis stink on him. Ed was so bad that he murdered every lineup he was in.

I think about what happened there somewhat often and it never makes a lot of sense to me that he got cut. The only thing that actually makes sense is he was given a verbal promise to cut him if he requested it (since he could sign a minimum deal anywhere) and he just wanted out.

 

[jom2003]

Cy still talking about Conley like he's Chris Paul or Jrue Holiday. But he's really not.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Mike Conley is a damn near perfect fit.

He's a good defender, he's a great PG and leader, he's AN ELITE SHOOTER, he doesnt hog the ball. I could go on and on.

He's a ****ing amazing fit for Mitchell and Gobert.

The only issue is playoff health, and that is just bad luck. If he's healthy for either years in the playoffs, the Jazz go to the Conference Finals in both years. He has been that elite in the playoffs.

You’re going a little overboard but are mostly correct. If he wasn’t small and old he would be actually perfect.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Cy still talking about Conley like he's Chris Paul or Jrue Holiday. But he's really not.

Yes, he is on both their levels IMO.

Obviously CP3 is way more important to the Suns than Conley is to the Jazz given their roster, but Conley's positive effect on both ends is enormous.

It's hilarious how badly some people want to act like Conley is just some run of the mill starter who averages 15-5. He does so much for this team that can't be captured in regular stats.

 

[LoPo]

Mike Conley is a damn near perfect fit.

He's a good defender, he's a great PG and leader, he's AN ELITE SHOOTER, he doesnt hog the ball. I could go on and on.

He's a ****ing amazing fit for Mitchell and Gobert.

The only issue is playoff health, and that is just bad luck. If he's healthy for either years in the playoffs, the Jazz go to the Conference Finals in both years. He has been that elite in the playoffs.

He was an okay fit, but it didn't justify the price. Losing Jae hurt more than adding Conley helped.

He's not a good enough defender to slow down any of the great players that torch us.

He has not been elite in the playoffs. Without the Memphis series where he was good but not dominant, we have lost more games when he plays than when he sits. He's only put up one monster game in two postseasons.

Did you know that one of the 1st round picks that went for Conley could have gone to get Jerami Grant instead? And we could have still had Jae and another 1st rounder.

 

[LoPo]

You’re going a little overboard but are mostly correct. If he wasn’t small and old he would be actually perfect.

But he is small and he is old and he is injury prone. And we knew that going into the trade (and so did Memphis).

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You’re going a little overboard but are mostly correct. If he wasn’t small and old he would be actually perfect.

The thing is he isn't as small as people think and having a small backcourt is like the 10th thing on the list of problems for the Jazz. Hardly do I ever feel like being too small cost the Jazz a game. The Jazz not having intelligent rotations or effort is what hurts them.

(Plus people forget Conley has great length)

 

[LoPo]

We have debated this before and we will debate it again. It is what it is - Conley hasn't taken us anywhere that Rubio didn't unless you want to wave the "best regular season record" banner in my face.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

He was an okay fit, but it didn't justify the price. Losing Jae hurt more than adding Conley helped.

He's not a good enough defender to slow down any of the great players that torch us.

He has not been elite in the playoffs. Without the Memphis series where he was good but not dominant, we have lost more games when he plays than when he sits. He's only put up one monster game in two postseasons.

Did you know that one of the 1st round picks that went for Conley could have gone to get Jerami Grant instead? And we could have still had Jae and another 1st rounder.

I'd rather have Conley.

He's been elite in the playoffs, full stop. It's not debatable. If you want to be a future seer and get your crystal ball out to tell me that he will always be hurt in the playoffs so it was a bad trade, go for it. It was not a bad trade on merit of his talent level and fit.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The thing is he isn't as small as people think and having a small backcourt is like the 10th thing on the list of problems for the Jazz. Hardly do I ever feel like being too small cost the Jazz a game. The Jazz not having intelligent rotations or effort is what hurts them.

(Plus people forget Conley has great length)

It could be a serious problem in the playoffs (and most certainly would have been against the Clippers), but the age thing is real (if only for the hammy troubles).

But yeah, it’s a relatively small part of the Jazz’s problems right now. We need more of everything that Conley brings to the table.