Trade deadline discussion

[jom2003]

When are you going to post something that's more than just your opinion?

There are no facts that support that we have been a better playoff team with Conley than without.

we are a worse team without Conley. There's no question about that. But so are 29 other teams playing without their starting point guard. I think it takes away from the argument that Conley's a good player, but not as good as the Jazz had hoped for.

 

[LoPo]

Because it's absurd. You can't seriously tell me the Jazz are better without Conley than with him. You have a pea brain dude.

I would like to believe that what I see in the regular season would translate to the playoffs, but I haven't seen that yet.

 

[LoPo]

we are a worse team without Conley. There's no question about that. But so are 29 other teams playing without their starting point guard. I think it takes away from the argument that Conley's a good player, but not as good as the Jazz had hoped for.

I think that Conley makes us better in the regular season. I know he has had a few good playoff games.

But at the end of the day, we are talking value for the trade. In the playoffs, it hasn't panned out. We can blame a lot of factors, but it just hasn't panned out.

 

[jom2003]

Of course we are better with Mike on the floor, there is no doubt. He is a top-tier player, near-all-star, and plays a role that is important for us.

None of this means he was the best acquisition nor the best fit nor what we really needed. None of this means we didn't overpay for the privilege of having the smallest defensively-challenged back-court in the NBA. We should have had a different target, as good and as likeable as Mike is. He just isn't what we needed. Swap Mike for, idk Brown or Grant, or even Brogdon and add an adequate PG and we would be well ahead of where we are now.

sums it up perfectly.

Cy talking about Conley like he's either the MVP caliber difference maker like Chris Paul/Morant, or Clarkson/Westbrick type monstrosity who will singlehandedly lose you games. with no grounds in between.

Well, Conley's exactly the type of player standing in between.

 

[LoPo]

Because it's absurd. You can't seriously tell me the Jazz are better without Conley than with him. You have a pea brain dude.

I'm not saying we are better without Conley. I'm saying that the playoffs have shown us that he doesn't make the difference we need to get over the hump.

I would much, much, much rather have Conley than not have him. But he just hasn't been worth the trade when we need him to be.

 

[LoPo]

Of course we are better with Mike on the floor, there is no doubt. He is a top-tier player, near-all-star, and plays a role that is important for us.

None of this means he was the best acquisition nor the best fit nor what we really needed. None of this means we didn't overpay for the privilege of having the smallest defensively-challenged back-court in the NBA. We should have had a different target, as good and as likeable as Mike is. He just isn't what we needed. Swap Mike for, idk Brown or Grant, or even Brogdon and add an adequate PG and we would be well ahead of where we are now.

That's a really good post.

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

Lol. Sure. That's what we said.

I mean c'mon. The argument is simple:

Conley is good
but
Conley doesn't put us over the top

In the mind of many, we gave up way more to get Conley than what we got.

I think the price was too steep, but given the options I like that the Jazz went for it.

 

[jom2003]

I think the price was too steep, but given the options I like that the Jazz went for it.

Both Paul and Holiday were made available exactly a season after. Suns got Paul for...Rubio.

meaning we keep Ricky for one more season and we can put together the same package.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

My favorite thing is that every thread eventually devolves into either a dumb debate about the Conley trade or a dumb debate about Rudy and Donovan.

 

[MTS]

Both Paul and Holiday were made available exactly a season after. Suns got Paul for...Rubio.

meaning we keep Ricky for one more season and we can put together the same package.

Man, just go make a new thread called "Bitching about the Conley trade" so everybody who hijacks multiple threads with the exact same drivel can just keep it in there, and the rest of us can actually enjoy the forum again.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

When are you going to post something that's more than just your opinion?

There are no facts that support that we have been a better playoff team with Conley than without.

I'm not saying we are better without Conley. I'm saying that the playoffs have shown us that he doesn't make the difference we need to get over the hump.

I would much, much, much rather have Conley than not have him. But he just hasn't been worth the trade when we need him to be.

You asked me to prove we are better with Conley than without lmfao then you backtrack You're too stupid to even form coherent thoughts as to what you believe.

You move the goalpost so much you have no idea what you are arguing about, it's ****ing crazy.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Both Paul and Holiday were made available exactly a season after. Suns got Paul for...Rubio.

meaning we keep Ricky for one more season and we can put together the same package.

Had we waited we likely could have snatched Paul for free... people forget how far his trade value had fallen. OKC would have taken expirings and some small assets. Of course no one thought the guy would bounce back and you could have been taking a chance that would have sunk the cap for years to come.

My only issue was we paid 25% too much in the trade imo. The other stuff is just revisionist history with the benefit of hindsight.