Trade deadline discussion

[Saint Cy of JFC]

No to Ewwta.

racism

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I just cant get over the fact that Exum doesnt bend his wrist on his shot.

 

[Ineptimusprime]

it's not really an attempted tile run when there are at least 3-4 teams ranked ahead of us and teams know how to beat us.

The thing with Conley was not really to integrate him in an existing system. In fact, we changed our system entirely as we changed 3 of our 5 starters when he arrived so we were trying to work out a system collectively as a group.

Also, teams on a title run make similar changes all the time. 2019 Raptors and 2020 Lakers. Even 2021 Bucks changed their starting PG from Bled to Jrue. I have a hard time coming up with a team that were treading water for a few years and, without making any major changes to their roster at all, all of a sudden went from second round exit to nba champ.

It is an attempted title run this year -- emphasis on attempted. I think this is the last ride with this core for sure unless we reach the finals (maaaaybe WCF). The rent (aka the tax bill) is too damn high to take a proven pseudo-contender into next season. I mean, Tony Jones is already on record in the Athletic as saying we may trade Gobert if we flame out again this year.

I think it's wishful thinking that adding one defensive piece at the deadline is going to make a major difference. The problems we have that prevent us from being a real contender are as much philosophical as they are personnel-driven. Rearranging one deck chair might increase our chances by half a percent or something. That's not to say we shouldn't jump on a deal if one makes sense to slightly improve our odds this season and gives us a long-term piece and therefore a head-start on retooling around Don in the offseason.

If we hit shots and get favorable playoff matchups, it's hypothetically possible we can win it all. I guess we just have to hope for that, and if it doesn't happen, give the roster a makeover around Don in the offseason.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

It's pretty crazy that we had 2 players that deserved the 6MOY award last year, and now both players have been so inconsistent this year.

I just looked it up and Jordan Clarkson had a pre-All Star break efg% of 55%. This year he is at 47%. We are basically living and dying by Jordan Clarkson making shots. He is 51% efg% in wins and 39% in losses.

Joe went from a 65% efg% last year to 58% efg% this year. Honestly his shooting last year probably wasn't sustainable. The bigger deal is his ast%, reb% , and usg% are all down this year. His PITP are also way down this year so far.

I think/hope one or both of them will turn it around at some point this year.

Crazy informative stat there. The defense is decent but not good enough when we are chucking.

I have seen Jordan reinvent himself. He is passing more. Driving more. And its bringing his shooting back up so that may be the difference but if not... eeek.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

Brogdon is absolutely a better defender than Conley, not to mention 5 inches taller. He's averaging more assists and rebounds than Conley as well. He's a much better perimeter disruptor and he can body up bigger guards. He's being asked to do a lot on that pacers team so he's not like a defensive specialist or anything but if he came here he'd pretty much instantly be our best perimeter defender. He's also younger than Conley. We'd be wins ahead, and better in the playoffs, if we could magically swap Conley for brogdon.

Conley puts forth the effort and gets some accolades "for his age", but the fact is in the playoffs when we are constantly facing bigger guard lines were cannot hang defensively because our guards are too small. It's been exploited again and again, to the tune of multiple 50-point games from Murray just 2 years ago. Brogdon would provide the size we need at the guard spot.

Conley took 8 months to START to be effective in Quins system. If we swapped him for Brogdon this trade deadline, kiss goodbye to a deep playoff run.

After the playoffs things could change.

 

[LogGrad98]

Conley took 8 months to START to be effective in Quins system. If we swapped him for Brogdon this trade deadline, kiss goodbye to a deep playoff run.

After the playoffs things could change.

Bogey took a week. Every player is different.

 

[NAOS]

Bogey took a week. Every player is different.

Conley’s first year was ****ing rough. On both sides of the ball. Oy. Bad flashbacks.

 

[Jingled]

Crazy informative stat there. The defense is decent but not good enough when we are chucking.

I have seen Jordan reinvent himself. He is passing more. Driving more. And its bringing his shooting back up so that may be the difference but if not... eeek.

He is passing a bit more which is good to see but so far it's not bringing his shooting up at all.

 

[NAOS]

He is passing a bit more which is good to see but so far it's not bringing his shooting up at all.

Historically, his best moments are when he has very few thoughts and is playing free. But any kind of reinvention requires more thoughts. The hope would be that he’s able to establish a new style and get back to thoughtlessness WITHIN THAT STYLE.

I have so many analogies to golf springing to my mind:
At most, I think you can have two swing-thoughts. More than that, and you’re likely to get rigid and start sucking. But some golfers can literally have zero swing-thoughts. Clarkson might be that kind of dude.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

If the reports are true that Reddish is available for a first I’d be all over that. Kid is just scratching the surface and is a functional 3 and D guy now. I doubt the reports are true otherwise I’d have thought a team would jump at that.

If true, then it would be a complete NO BRAINER... I mean, we want to win a championship so we need to get some flexibility and depth.

The problem is that if we used a future 1st and a player or two not in our current rotation... would it matter? I mean, Quin doesn't believe in anyone beyond the top 8 who he trusts completely regardless of their faults. Forest he plays when he is in a complete bind. Paschall entered in the Spurs game and played all of about 20 seconds before Quin looked pissed, benched him, and played the starters again. Paschall and the entire bench looked floored knowing that they are never going to see the court because they make 1 mistake. Common. We have all seen a zillion mistakes from the rotation players but the bench has no wiggle room. If we had Cam Reddish would it be any different?

Meanwhile, we talk about the importance of health in the playoffs but we play our starters more minutes than most teams in the league. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Remember Donovan holding his back and talking about how he is getting old? OVERUSE. Remember how burnt out we were in the playoffs last year? OVERUSE. And the covid 10 day contracts with no time to understand their team's systems are coming in and giving us fits.

Quin needs to get covid and be on 10 days rest while a different coach shows us what they can do in his absence using our bench a bit.

OR

The Jazz need to all get Omicron and we need to rely on depth for a week or two.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

If true, then it would be a complete NO BRAINER... I mean, we want to win a championship so we need to get some flexibility and depth.

The problem is that if we used a future 1st and a player or two not in our current rotation... would it matter? I mean, Quin doesn't believe in anyone beyond the top 8 who he trusts completely regardless of their faults. Forest he plays when he is in a complete bind. Paschall entered in the Spurs game and played all of about 20 seconds before Quin looked pissed, benched him, and played the starters again. Paschall and the entire bench looked floored knowing that they are never going to see the court because they make 1 mistake. Common. We have all seen a zillion mistakes from the rotation players but the bench has no wiggle room. If we had Cam Reddish would it be any different?

Meanwhile, we talk about the importance of health in the playoffs but we play our starters more minutes than most teams in the league. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Remember Donovan holding his back and talking about how he is getting old? OVERUSE. Remember how burnt out we were in the playoffs last year? OVERUSE. And the covid 10 day contracts with no time to understand their team's systems are coming in and giving us fits.

Quin needs to get covid and be on 10 days rest while a different coach shows us what they can do in his absence using our bench a bit.

OR

The Jazz need to all get Omicron and we need to rely on depth for a week or two.

I don't believe this is true that Quin plays his stars more than other teams. A quick check on NBA.com reveals that our top mpg player is Donovan who is 55th in the league in mpg. Rudy Gobert is 77th.