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I don’t understand what’s going on with John Collins. Numbers look legit but he’s been regressing the last few years which doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. More than that, why do the Hawks always seem so lukewarm on him?

I think I prefer him to all of Barnes, Grant, and Bogey looking at their numbers, but it feels like I must be missing something.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I don’t understand what’s going on with John Collins. Numbers look legit but he’s been regressing the last few years which doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. More than that, why do the Hawks always seem so lukewarm on him?

I think I prefer him to all of Barnes, Grant, and Bogey looking at their numbers, but it feels like I must be missing something.
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It’s partly a Trae problem. I think attitude issues were part of the problem coming out of the draft. He’s not a perfect piece to build around but still very good. Prolly one of those dudes you always want to be 25% better than he is… kinda like AK47.
 
I would like Smart and Barnes. If another player is sent to us who can defend the perimeter it's a bonus. I'm down to trade any combination of Ingles, Royce, Bogie, JC or filler. I would prefer not to send any 1st round picks.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
It’s partly a Trae problem. I think attitude issues were part of the problem coming out of the draft. He’s not a perfect piece to build around but still very good. Prolly one of those dudes you always want to be 25% better than he is… kinda like AK47.
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Yeah, but the core of the frustration with AK (besides not giving a ****) is that his skill set was weird and making him fit in any winning environment was difficult (a dude too weak to play PF, but can’t spread the floor, and who wants to run the offense).

ANYWAY, Collins seems like a perfect fit here? His numbers frankly crush (regarding efficiency) the dudes I just mentioned and it sounds like he is not prioritized in the offense at all. Good rebounder, decent secondary rim-protector.

I don’t get it. I mean, if he’s just a complete ******* I get it. But if the Hawks are just dumb the Jazz should go hard after Collins.
 
Move Bogey, JC, Ingles + [?] to bring in Smart and Colllins (or Grant secondarily) + maybe Schroder and/or sign journeyman vet 3&D guy, someone like House.


Also, ****ing sign House already.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Yeah, but the core of the frustration with AK (besides not giving a ****) is that his skill set was weird and making him fit in any winning environment was difficult (a dude too weak to play PF, but can’t spread the floor, and who wants to run the offense).

ANYWAY, Collins seems like a perfect fit here? His numbers frankly crush (regarding efficiency) the dudes I just mentioned and it sounds like he is not prioritized in the offense at all. Good rebounder, decent secondary rim-protector.

I don’t get it. I mean, if he’s just a complete ******* I get it. But if the Hawks are just dumb the Jazz should go hard after Collins.
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His defense isn't great. He was solid in the playoffs. He gets some stats though.

I like him... I think he's out of our price range. I think the Hawks put him out there because he has value and they know long term the situation with him and Trae isn't great. Trae is so ball dominant... like Harden and Luka... not everyone is gonna want to sign up for that. It may not even be shots... they just want to feel involved. You add in his completely ****** defense and guys fell like "why am I covering his *** just so I can watch him dribble and get the highlights".

I really do like Collins but the fit isn't completely perfect. He needs to be the roll man sometimes and I guess you could put Rudy in the dunkers spot, but it would mess with spacing a bit. I think John Collins puts up 25 a game someday on a team that is like the 10th seed.
 
I don't get the Barnes interest if it comes at the expense of Bojan. I prefer Bojan's shot making and familiarity to Barnes slightly better rebounding (his numbers will come down with Rudy). If there is some magical chairs stuff where we move Bojan for Smart and Royce and Joe for Barnes with draft stuff given out somewhere in there... then I get it. I don't think there is a big difference between Bojan and Barnes though.
 
I will say... two teams that are primed to make a stupid mistake are the Kings and Wizards. I'd be talking to them a lot. I also think Stevens in Boston could end up being bad. The Horford deal doesn't look great right now... I know they got off some money with Kemba but not sure they waive and stretch Al next year... not sure they should have voluntarily extended Richardson. Just because a guy is a good coach it does not mean they will be a good front office person.

Back to the Wiz... I'm calling them every day. Not even sure there is a match, but they are absolutely going to try and make a win now move to convince Beal to stay. They have a lot of pieces... not sure how desperate they get.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
His defense isn't great. He was solid in the playoffs. He gets some stats though.

I like him... I think he's out of our price range. I think the Hawks put him out there because he has value and they know long term the situation with him and Trae isn't great. Trae is so ball dominant... like Harden and Luka... not everyone is gonna want to sign up for that. It may not even be shots... they just want to feel involved. You add in his completely ****** defense and guys fell like "why am I covering his *** just so I can watch him dribble and get the highlights".

I really do like Collins but the fit isn't completely perfect. He needs to be the roll man sometimes and I guess you could put Rudy in the dunkers spot, but it would mess with spacing a bit. I think John Collins puts up 25 a game someday on a team that is like the 10th seed.
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I like Collins a lot, but I don't know if he's a perfect fit next to Rudy. I do think he gives us a fantastic dimension in the playoffs as a small ball center. He really helped Atlanta in that role last postseason.

I think Collins would be a fantastic #3 type guy, and he's close with Donovan. We would be wise to get him if we could for the long term vision of the franchise.
 
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