Trade deadline discussion
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Hadn't really sunk in to that Josh Richardson and Gary Harris are remarkably similar players statistically (the biggest difference is that Harris is an extremely poor rebounder; Richardson is just average/below average).
I don't know if Harris is back to being a Richardson-quality defender this year, though he clearly had been before injuries derailed his career (who watches Orlando, after all?), but if he is, they'd seem to be almost interchangeable on the Jazz's wish list.
I can't see the Jazz trading for Harris (his contract is less favorable), but assuming the Jazz would like to get one of the two would you:
a) Try to trade for Richardson with either Ingles/Clarkson as the return while also offering Boston a lottery-protected 2026 first?; Or,
b) Wait out the trade deadline, and hope that both Harris isn't traded and that he gets bought out by Orlando (genuinely possible scenario), and then hope to emerge victorious over other possible suitors for his services.
Would it make a difference if it was a second-round pick for Richardson instead?
I don't know if Harris is back to being a Richardson-quality defender this year, though he clearly had been before injuries derailed his career (who watches Orlando, after all?), but if he is, they'd seem to be almost interchangeable on the Jazz's wish list.
I can't see the Jazz trading for Harris (his contract is less favorable), but assuming the Jazz would like to get one of the two would you:
a) Try to trade for Richardson with either Ingles/Clarkson as the return while also offering Boston a lottery-protected 2026 first?; Or,
b) Wait out the trade deadline, and hope that both Harris isn't traded and that he gets bought out by Orlando (genuinely possible scenario), and then hope to emerge victorious over other possible suitors for his services.
Would it make a difference if it was a second-round pick for Richardson instead?
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Douchebag K
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This is an insult to janitors everywhere.
As @Handlogten's Heros says, they’re trying to get marginally better this year. They’re not doing that with Ingles and Clarkson, so if we’re getting Barnes, it’s because we’re dropping Bojan.
-Royce and Clarkson for Harrison Barnes straight up. (Sac does this cuz they’re win-now and these pieces make more sense for them now than Barnes. Barnes subs out early and mostly is the firepower for the bench units).
-Ingles and unprotecting the pick (and another sweetener that isn’t a 1st [JB?]) for Kenrich Williams
-sign House
-actually work the buyout market
Let’s do this. Gets us within spitting distance of ducking the tax. Also sets up nicely for a run at 2023 free agency (Jaylen Brown, Grant, Wood, not to mention Bojan and Barnes).
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I would definitely trade an aging Bojan before Royce. We need to up the perimeter D, not make it worse.
I wonder how worried the Jazz are about Bogey's finger?
Similarly, are other teams gonna wanna trade for him?
I think he’ll be fine by the playoffs. I also don’t think swapping him out for Barnes is good at all because he’s one of the pillars of making the offense work (because he knows it).
I would hope the Jazz have the cajones to not close with Barnes and Bogey for defensive reasons (if they got him without sending Bogey).
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Pistons are one of the few teams tanki I mean patiently rebuilding, so this package doesn’t make sense for them.
I'd go for this (not that I think the Kings would, but if they're at all concerned about wise team-building they probably should make sure they have other wing options than putting Barnes at the 3 along with Sabonis at the 4).
I'd still want to be able to find a Richardson/Harris type who could specialize as a guard defender without compromising our shooting (I don't trust House or Kenrich Williams to do that, even to the extent that I trust Royce). But we're behind the eight-ball with our assets, so we need something of a minor miracle to really materially change our chances.
@infection you wanna take this?
Just kidding (kind of). I forgot to add that Forrest gets a real shot (at least in the regular season).
You missed the part about not compromising our shooting?
Jose Mayonnaise
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Yeah it would definitely have to come with some picks, and I'm still not sure they'd be interested.
Yes. All of this. Please.
Jerami Grant's offensive efficiency this season is in the same neighborhood as Clarkson's. This, combined with the Pistons' high asking price and Grant's desire for a new contract north of $100M, makes him risky. The assumption is that he'd be more efficient playing in a better offensive system with spacing and quality guards getting him the ball, plus Rudy's screens getting him open looks. His length, defense and high-end athleticism would give the Jazz a real shot of adrenaline. However, it wouldn't surprise me if the Jazz prefer Barnes, just because he's safer. Ainge apparently pursued Barnes a year ago in Boston.