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trade devin harris, start jamal tinsley

New York fans on real GM yesterday were mentioning picking up Tinsley. Maybe we can just give him to them if they agree to take Harris as well.
 
write4u said:
CJ, that was a very ignorant comment. Did you see the game last night? Tinsley is no McLeod or Palacio and Jason Fart. While he does have defensive liabilities, these might improve with more playing time.
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....I believe we were talking about Harris, not Tinsley!
 
carolinajazz said:
.... But then again, this is the NBA where former McDonald's workers and YMCA clowns can be gainfully employed!
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Really? Oh, why didn't I ever work at McD's!!!!!!

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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CJ, sorry, people kept going back and forth about Harris / Tinsley so I was confused about who you meant -- I'm not as down on Harris as you, but I do think the Jazz need to trade him, that he's not the player we were expecting.
 
squareinthecircle said:
I also think that Harris does indeed have abilities and if he cannot figure a way to use them while he is here then that is on him.
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It shouldn't be hard for a PG to figure what the general gist of the Jazz system is: look for passes within the offense. Stockton frequently gave up shots in favor of running the O.

While Harris's scoring is helpful (sometimes--depending on whether he's making 'em and whether it causes teammates to stop moving) and his defense is OK (sometimes), I reckon that the negative impact on the offense flow cancels out DH's scoring benefit.

If the Jazz traded him, they'd need another third PG to take his place. Not sure how readily available they are, but it surely would be good to pay someone less than Harris is getting.

In the meantime, whether he's traded or not, I'd vote for giving Tinsley a chance to start--and cut his playing time if he doesn't at least try to defend. Merit-based minutes.

I also think that it is premature to say that the Hayward-as-backup-PG and the Burks-as-backup-PG experiments are over. Probably makes sense to develop Burks first, as there appears to be a greater need for Elder Hayward at the 2/3 spot. Have people noticed that Hayward is 2nd on the team in APG? At least a starting wing is being unselfish; I wish I could say the same for the (recently) starting shoot-first point guard.

Maybe--just maybe--Burks could be the third PG in a pinch, if Harris is somehow traded without getting a PG in return. It'd be a way to get #FreeAlecBurks more minutes, too.
 
Ok. This game(Lakers @ Jazz on 2/4) is the straw that broke the camels back.

Trade Harris. I really don't care if we get anything back, lets just trade him for a pick this year. Detroit, perhaps? Or Toronto?
 
InGameStrategy said:
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It shouldn't be hard for a PG to figure what the general gist of the Jazz system is: look for passes within the offense. Stockton frequently gave up shots in favor of running the O.

While Harris's scoring is helpful (sometimes--depending on whether he's making 'em and whether it causes teammates to stop moving) and his defense is OK (sometimes), I reckon that the negative impact on the offense flow cancels out DH's scoring benefit.

If the Jazz traded him, they'd need another third PG to take his place. Not sure how readily available they are, but it surely would be good to pay someone less than Harris is getting.

In the meantime, whether he's traded or not, I'd vote for giving Tinsley a chance to start--and cut his playing time if he doesn't at least try to defend. Merit-based minutes.

I also think that it is premature to say that the Hayward-as-backup-PG and the Burks-as-backup-PG experiments are over. Probably makes sense to develop Burks first, as there appears to be a greater need for Elder Hayward at the 2/3 spot. Have people noticed that Hayward is 2nd on the team in APG? At least a starting wing is being unselfish; I wish I could say the same for the (recently) starting shoot-first point guard.

Maybe--just maybe--Burks could be the third PG in a pinch, if Harris is somehow traded without getting a PG in return. It'd be a way to get #FreeAlecBurks more minutes, too.
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This sort of finger pointing isn't going to help things. Harris is what he is- no measure of blaming or scolding is going to change that. We have to use him to the best of our abilities and since he does have something in the way of ability then if we cannot use him efficiently then it's not his fault. We have to exercise power that we have.

I don't have a problem bringing him off the bench or changing his role and primarily using the other two PGs but he's our player and just saying it shouldn't be hard for him to pick things up won't do it.
 
write4u said:
Tinsley is a solid back-up; we know at least we can count on him if need be. His D is weak, but you have to consider he was guarding Curry which is no easy task. DWill has had problems guarding him too.
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Tinsley can be a starter. Especially on this team.
 
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