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franklin

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ESPN's trade machine won't approve of this but it works if you calculate everything longhand considering exceptions, partial guarantees, etc.

Denver receives: Cap space & huge future salary relief
Jazz receive Kevin Martin, Al Harrington, #14 or 16 from Houston & 2014 NYK first (via Denver).
Houston receives Big Al, Arron Afflalo, Chris Anderson, #20 from Denver

Houston swaps Martin's expiring for a more useful expiring, and get's an all around stud in Afflalo to replace the SG void. They take on salary (which they can afford) and drop a few spots in the draft.

Denver looks to be giving up a lot until you start calculating their salary situation. Nuggets have a little over $51,000,000 in committed salary during the 2013/14 season, and that's before paying JaVale McGee this year and & Ty Lawson next. Those two will probably fetch something like 11 and 9, respectively. Is that a team any GM wants to pay $71,000,000+ to? Take out AA, Harrington, Anderson, and the #20, and the Nuggets have $44mm in payroll.


Al Harrington's deal looks awful--3 more years left at $6.7, $7.15, and $7.6. Only 50% of the last two years are guaranteed, however, and buying him out wouldn't be terribly painful or any meaningful hit to cap room. Harrington can still produce and wouldn't be a bad 2nd or 3rd string situational guy to have on the bench.

Even with the Harrington buyout and a #14 or 16 rookie scale, this deal still only brings the Jazz up to $29 mm in salary in 2013/2014. Millsap will be offered $10 to $11mm, so add that on if necessary. This leaves the Jazz with plenty of room to go out and get that extra piece in FA.

In addition, that NYK pick is unprotected and could end up being golden.
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The only hole I see is possibly Denver giving up one too many draft picks, even though it buys them a ton of cap room for the next to FA seasons.
 
This is so, so dumb. Denver loses two 1st rounders, Afflalo (who's very solid), Anderson (which might be a good thing for them), and Harrington. And for what? Financial relief? They were 26th in the league in salary this year. I doubt they're spending too much on that end.

Sorry bro but a neg rep is coming.
 
Two late first rounders. You're handicapped if you think Denver is looking good with a $71,000,000+ payroll that features:

Lawson,
Afflalo
Danilo ****ing Gallinari's attrocious contract
Undersized Kenneth who can't shoot past 4 feet out
Crazy *** JaVale

They have to make a move or get stuck with a ****ty team and luxury tax. I realize you're playing the hardass card a bit extra lately, but use your brain a little.
 
And how is Gallinari's contract bad? 8 million dollars per year for the next 4 for a player who a lot of potential and is currently a pretty good SF.

I would gladly pay Gallinari that money.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
And Denver does not have 51M committed in the 13/14 season as far as I know. Not even close to that number actually.
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What #'s are you going from. Using Sham Sports it's $52,643,535 excluding JaVale McGee's $4.385mm offer sheet that's going to end up closer to $11,000,000 when all is said and done. They get as low as $50,470,755 if they let Stone go and release Mozgov on his partial guarantee.

https://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/nuggets.jsp
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
And how is Gallinari's contract bad? 8 million dollars per year for the next 4 for a player who a lot of potential and is currently a pretty good SF.

I would gladly pay Gallinari that money.
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Do all of you pull numbers out your ***? $9,439,000 $10,146,925 $10,854,850 $11,559,225 is a boatload to pay for a small forward shooting 41 and 32, can't rebound, can't guard... Denver fans don't even like him.
 
franklin said:
Do all of you pull numbers out your ***? $9,439,000 $10,146,925 $10,854,850 $11,559,225 is a boatload to pay for a small forward shooting 41 and 32, can't rebound, can't guard... Denver fans don't even like him.
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My bad. I saw 42 as 32 for some reason.
 
Either way, they just signed him to that deal. I don't think they want to trade him. They like Gallinari.
 
Franklin I like you. Way to throw it down and make all of the contrarions look foolish. Keep it up. I will rep you later.
 
franklin said:
What #'s are you going from. Using Sham Sports it's $52,643,535 excluding JaVale McGee's $4.385mm offer sheet that's going to end up closer to $11,000,000 when all is said and done. They get as low as $50,470,755 if they let Stone go and release Mozgov on his partial guarantee.

https://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/nuggets.jsp
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Unless there's cap holds beyond 12/13 that aren't stated, their number appears to be 50.36M for that year, and that includes the QO's on Mozgov, Lawson and Stone. Take Mozgov and Stone out of the equation and that number drops to 45.36M. Then, take out Lawson's 3.61M as he'll likely be extended and the number drops to 41.75M. That's for eight players: Afflalo, Chandler, Harrington, Anderson, Gallinari, Koufos, Faried, and Hamilton. Add in Lawson and McGee with their new, larger figures, each starting at around 10M per, and it jumps to 61.75M for 10 players. Add in the cost for the two mid-to-late 1sts and a 13th man and they'll be sitting around 66M, not 71-72M.

That 66M figure would put the Nuggets at 16th in the league this year in salary. Two years from now, I imagine that 66M would put them even lower, around 17th or 18th. Not exactly so high. Add in the fact too that if Anderson is convicted of a crime, they may be free from that contract, as I can only imagine they had certain stipulations worked in there after his previous drug ban, and it would go down even more. Then, there's the fact that they could amnesty someone like Harrington, who would likely be signed by someone else, and they'd save some more.

They're not giving away two 1sts and their best wing player for cap relief.
 
Still waiting for franklin's reply to my last statements on this trade. Am I missing something here franklin? I may very well be but I feel like I crossed all my t's and dotted all my i's.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Still waiting for franklin's reply to my last statements on this trade. Am I missing something here franklin? I may very well be but I feel like I crossed all my t's and dotted all my i's.
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Sorry, I've been out for a couple days.

I went back Friday and quickly calculated 2014 comittments at $68mm using $20mm for Lawson and McGee combined. Close enough to your $66. Either way, it's too far over the cap to make that Denver team relevant.

Like I said in the OP, Denver probably sees themselves giving up too much in the 2 draft picks. I don't see losing Afflalo as that big of an issue because they'll have $14,100,000 to replace him this summer if the cap stays at $58,000,000 (which it won't) and they pick up Mozgov's contract ($1.5mm guaranteed; $3.14 total). They could end up with around $17mm to spend. They could also take Kevin Martin in the trade if they didn't feel confident finding someone on the market. I sent him to the Jazz as a short term negative to the Jazz. If Denver wants him they can have him. If nothing else, they get a tradeable expiring to shop around.

Regardless of how lopsided this trade may be, there is definitely a scenario to work with here. I.E. Jazz could agree to take on Harrington and Anderson's contract for those two high draft picks. I'm not a fan of that but I bet Denver would jump on it. Their fans want to dump Harrington somewhere and amnesty Anderson for the cap room. You could also swap arround Afflalo for Chandler or Gallinari to make it more palateable for Denver, and they should dump Gallinari the first chance they get. They don't need two small forwards anyway.
 
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