Trade Idea

[Getting Traded]

I would like to move on from this as soon as anybody else, but I just wanted to point out that:

This is exactly the problem. You weren't thinking. You didn't know it was offensive. That's not the worst thing! My goal is not to rake you over the coals. It isn't anyone's. People have taken great care in communicating with you about this. The trick with learning the little things you can do to make the world slightly more hospitable for others is to not see attempts at well-meaning correction as an attack on you. I think I speak for the others that have spoken when I say we just think it's better to not use that term to describe something so unserious as a basketball trade.

On a personal note; I know we have had conflicts and whether you know it or not, I make a conscious effort to not be the mean-spirited person I have been in the past (though I fail more than I would like). But this isn't about me, and it's not even about you necessarily either. Let's try to be better people whenever we have an opportunity to.

If the word is so offensive, then maybe we should ban it from the English language. I don't see the profanity filter x-ing it out.

 

[Getting Traded]

Also, on the same note as Numberica and to leave this discussion behind, I think it's worth taking the time to break some stereotypes. Gender-based violence or the diminished role of women in society is not only a "those nations" thing. For those interested, there are several sources and studies at the World Bank, WHO, UN Women, ECLAC, the European Comission, and several NGOs, which can enlight us on the subject. Most statistics and studies show gender-based violence, femicide rates and intimate partner violence is a global problem but some of the worst numbers can be seen in Latin America (with worst offenders being Brazil, Mexico, Honduras, El Salvador, Peru, etc). And none of those were included in the "those nations" list, which obviously - and unfortunately- had a muslim bias.

Do they have a history of killing women who commit adultery? And in those situations, the men involved in the act are not at all punished. It is the Muslim culture that has been more oppressive to women than any other. Sure, the Catholic Church was also very oppressive and burned thousands of women at the stake for "witchcraft" during the Middle Ages. But Arab culture tops it in its general attitude. I have a friend from India and the women there have traditionally been second-class citizens. This is historical tradition. Yes, in the modern word things are changing but culture changes slowly. Look at the South today despite all the Civil Rights reforms and agitations, still very racist. I don't believe in political correctness. I think it's disingenuous and patronizing. It's just not honest and I try to be.

 

[Getting Traded]

Do they have a history of killing women who commit adultery? And in those situations, the men involved in the act are not at all punished. It is the Muslim culture that has been more oppressive to women than any other. Sure, the Catholic Church was also very oppressive and burned thousands of women at the stake for "witchcraft" during the Middle Ages. But Arab culture tops it in its general attitude. I have a friend from India and the women there have traditionally been second-class citizens. This is historical tradition. Yes, in the modern word things are changing but culture changes slowly. Look at the South today despite all the Civil Rights reforms and agitations, still very racist. I don't believe in political correctness. I think it's disingenuous and patronizing. It's just not honest and I try to be.

That's all I have to say and we have gone way off topic. It's ridiculous. I did not want to engage in this conversation but I feel I have been unfairly attacked simply for using a word that some people are offended by. Did I say I think raping a person is a good thing. Am I trivializing raping a person? That's your interpretation. People have used that word like this as long as I have been alive and it had no sexual connotation whatsoever.

 

[latin jazz]

Do they have a history of killing women who commit adultery? And in those situations, the men involved in the act are not at all punished. It is the Muslim culture that has been more oppressive to women than any other. Sure, the Catholic Church was also very oppressive and burned thousands of women at the stake for "witchcraft" during the Middle Ages. But Arab culture tops it in its general attitude. I have a friend from India and the women there have traditionally been second-class citizens. This is historical tradition. Yes, in the modern word things are changing but culture changes slowly. Look at the South today despite all the Civil Rights reforms and agitations, still very racist. I don't believe in political correctness. I think it's disingenuous and patronizing. It's just not honest and I try to be.

To answer your question. Yes. Woman are killed for less than adultery in Latin America. And yes, the men involved oftentimes go unpunished. A strong macho culture and impunity permeates society. The worsening of the problem led to massive demostrations in several countries, called "Ni una Menos". I'm surprised you don't know about this problem in Latin America.

 

[Getting Traded]

To answer your question. Yes. Woman are killed for less than adultery in Latin America. And yes, the men involved oftentimes go unpunished. A strong macho culture and impunity permeates society. The worsening of the problem led to massive demostrations in several countries, called "Ni una Mas". I'm surprised you don't know about this problem in Latin America.

Yes, women have been oppressed in most cultures throughout history -- I say most because there have been some matrilineal societies as in some American Indian tribes. But I would say it has been much worse in Arab cultures -- for God's sake, women have had to wear veils and could only go out in public with male family members. You know any other places where that has been the case? When the families of men whose wives commit adultery murder her and think that's just? Heck, women only have been able to drive in Saudi Arabia in the last few years. Did you watch that 60 Minutes Report? And no I have not followed those situations in South America, and am not well informed about it, though I know of U.S. oppression of nations there going back centuries and more recently by our CIA. We've literally destroyed the economies of countries there that have tried to turn to socialism.

 

[Gameface]

I haven't been particularly nice to EM and I've had to block him to save myself from responding to him and hurting his feelings.

I peeked at a little of this drama but I will not respond directly to EM.

I can only advise the people responding to EM that short of formal psychiatric intervention there is no reason engage that poster.

They are not participating in "reality" in any meaningful way.

 

[latin jazz]

I haven't been particularly nice to EM and I've had to block him to save myself from responding to him and hurting his feelings.

I peeked at a little of this drama but I will not respond directly to EM.

I can only advise the people responding to EM that short of formal psychiatric intervention there is no reason engage that poster.

They are not participating in "reality" in any meaningful way.

Thanks for the heads up. When I somewhow see the CIA in an argument about gender violence, I think it's time to stop.

 

[Getting Traded]

Thanks for the heads up. When I somewhow see the CIA in an argument about gender violence, I think it's time to stop.

I really don't know how you can shift a comment about a trade into gender violence. You are the ones talking about gender violence not me, and as I said men get raped too. And not only that you are inaccurate in your depiction of traditional Arab culture.

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[Getting Traded]

I haven't been particularly nice to EM and I've had to block him to save myself from responding to him and hurting his feelings.

I peeked at a little of this drama but I will not respond directly to EM.

I can only advise the people responding to EM that short of formal psychiatric intervention there is no reason engage that poster.

They are not participating in "reality" in any meaningful way.

I won't send you a PM because I am no longer communicating with anyone that way. And I am not in need of psychiatric help for telling the truth. I should add that I didn't start this drama.

 

[Maneesh]

So Maneesh, err Numberica, who lives in a misogynistic country like Bangladesh, or I thought it was Turkey, where all those nations in that region are misogynistic, where in some they don't even punish men who rape women, agrees with UJF. I suspect some gender bias. I think I will create an ALT with the name of Siddartha.

So Maneesh, err Numberica, who lives in a misogynistic country like Bangladesh, or I thought it was Turkey, where all those nations in that region are misogynistic, where in some they don't even punish men who rape women, agrees with UJF. I suspect some gender bias. I think I will create an ALT with the name of Siddartha.

You insult me even you say pervert thing at me. Shame on you.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I won't send you a PM because I am no longer communicating with anyone that way. And I am not in need of psychiatric help for telling the truth. I should add that I didn't start this drama.

Uhh. You compared a trade to rape, I said that’s bad, and then you fought everyone about how that’s not bad.

The starting point and the common denominator is you. You are the entirety of the drama.

The good news is I learned about some stuff from some other posters.

 

[LogGrad98]

Welp, this thread is completely dead. Time to move it to GD or just plain kill it.

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