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Donovan is a tremendous offensive talent who is turning the corner on efficiency. He plays better defense than James Harden (doesn't say much). But I think he can become a similarly efficient offensive threat to James Harden in 2 years if he keeps working on handles.

If he leaves, then that sucks but according to many of you that would be a good thing. I just can't jeopardize the upside of a relevance for another 5 years for the hypothetical. I'll take my chances on him staying and then if he demands a trade then I would find a willing partner who gives up a crazy package for him. Pre-emptively booting him is stupid for small market Utah. I mean, who would you guys propose we trade him for? OKC's 30 first round picks?

Quin is more concerning to me than Spida. He hasn't played players that are more flexible who have demonstrated they can hang in favor of his predictable 9 player deep roster. The bucks were like 12 deep last year in the playoffs. We refuse to develop the bottom half of the team which makes us 1 injury shy of a repeat of last year. That spooks me way more than anything Donovan is doing.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I was just looking at defensive stats and Forrest is one of the best in the league at Defended Field Goal% and the difference between their FG%. Players are shooting 33% (with a crazy high 18.4 defended shots a game, highest in the league) when he is guarding them. Gobert is also super elite at 39%. Mitchell and Bojan are our worst at 49 and 52.

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Good information, but obviously Forrest isn't defending 18.4 shots per game?
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
Donovan is a tremendous offensive talent who is turning the corner on efficiency. He plays better defense than James Harden (doesn't say much). But I think he can become a similarly efficient offensive threat to James Harden in 2 years if he keeps working on handles.

If he leaves, then that sucks but according to many of you that would be a good thing. I just can't jeopardize the upside of a relevance for another 5 years for the hypothetical. I'll take my chances on him staying and then if he demands a trade then I would find a willing partner who gives up a crazy package for him. Pre-emptively booting him is stupid for small market Utah. I mean, who would you guys propose we trade him for? OKC's 30 first round picks?

Quin is more concerning to me than Spida. He hasn't played players that are more flexible who have demonstrated they can hang in favor of his predictable 9 player deep roster. The bucks were like 12 deep last year in the playoffs. We refuse to develop the bottom half of the team which makes us 1 injury shy of a repeat of last year. That spooks me way more than anything Donovan is doing.
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I have a crazy package but I'm not giving it up for Donovan.
 
Ron Mexico said:
No only three a game. It's only 51 total shots defended. So a somewhat small sample size, but promising. Butler has defended 33.
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Hes a good defender. People think he isn't as good as Dunn/Harrison because he doesn't sell out for steals and outwardly display effort as muchh as those dudes.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I was just looking at defensive stats and Forrest is one of the best in the league at Defended Field Goal% and the difference between their FG%. Players are shooting 33% (with a crazy high 18.4 defended shots a game, highest in the league) when he is guarding them. Gobert is also super elite at 39%. Mitchell and Bojan are our worst at 49 and 52.

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Wait, wut? It says Forrest is guarding 3 field goal attempts per game. (You need to edit for clarity... the 18.4 figure belongs to Gobert. You appear to know this, but your post reads otherwise).

These stats also eat into your Bojan-the-defender narrative.
 
NAOS said:
Wait, wut? It says Forrest is guarding 3 field goal attempts per game. (You need to edit for clarity... the 18.4 figure belongs to Gobert. You appear to know this, but your post reads otherwise).

These stats also eat into your Bojan-the-defender narrative.
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Oh yeah, I put that info in the wrong spot for Gobert/Forrest, I'll fix it. This does make Bojan look even worse. Although this is a decent stat I don't think, like all defensive stats, it tells the whole story. But I haven't claimed him to be a good defender. I was making an argument for why you keep him in at the end, even on a defensive possession. Even at his best Bojan isn't a good defender.
 
For reference last year niang was our best in this same defended fg% stat. Forrest and Mitchell were our worst. Bojan was in the middle and holding people slightly below their averages.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Oh yeah, I put that info in the wrong spot for Gobert/Forrest, I'll fix it. This does make Bojan look even worse. Although this is a decent stat I don't think, like all defensive stats, it tells the whole story. But I haven't claimed him to be a good defender. I was making an argument for why you keep him in at the end, even on a defensive possession. Even at his best Bojan isn't a good defender.
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Bojan can defend certain dudes. He just can't guard speed or shiftiness
 
Imagine the correlation that as Donovan has dialed up his efficiency and taken better shots, we are magically winning games.

When the game comes to him, he's an All-Star. When he has to force it because of picking up the slack or what not, we lose. Not rocket science.
 
Avery said:
Imagine the correlation that as Donovan has dialed up his efficiency and taken better shots, we are magically winning games.

When the game comes to him, he's an All-Star. When he has to force it because of picking up the slack or what not, we lose. Not rocket science.
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And also imagine the correlation between giving a player time in the trenches practicing his craft and him getting better.
 
Jazz's schedule has also been fairly cupcake. The West is overall weak as hell this year.

The Cavs the only team the Jazz have faced recently who have been in a groove when they played them. Everyone else has either been trending down (Wizards/Blazers/Sixers) or extremely injured (Clippers).

There isnt a hard game on the schedule until January 1st vs the Warriors.
 
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