Trade Partners for TB

[Flc]

Can you cite the sources that say there is a significant bump after year 3 or did you just pull that out of your hat? Because I've also heard the biggest jump is between years 1 and 2. And guys like Deron and CP3 (and many others) made a huge leap midway through their first seasons. You are right, players develop at different rates. However, based on the fact Trey has shown very little improvement, and maybe even regression in terms of selfishness, many of us don't believe a huge light is going to go on this season. But who knows, maybe it will take Trey four years or six years before he turns into this magically wonderful PG.

I feel like it's pretty common knowledge, Stifle, that historically point guards see the biggest jump between year 2 and year 3. I recall reading it in a Nate Silver piece (or maybe his book) fairly recently, and I also remember that everyone was astounded at the improvement that D-Will showed between year one and year two, since that was historically irregular. I'll see if I can drag up some links when I'm home.

 

[Flc]

That said, I like Trey about as much as I like Enes. I'm all for getting rid of him, if we get a solid asset in return.

 

[da ThRONe]

Hayward and Favors showed good progression from years 1 to 2 which continued on to 3, etc. Conversely, Burke regressed. It could be argued he's already as good as he'll ever be and at best his shooting will return to where it was his rookie year. One thing is certain: he'll never grow taller or become appreciably faster.

Again if you think Burke regressed last season then we don't agree and I'd say the team doesn't agree with you either.

Sure this could be as good as it gets for Trey or he could become an all star. Which is the point why make that decision right now. His contract is team friendly (as all rookie deals are). He's a hard worker and a good locker guy.

 

[gregbroncs]

Again if you think Burke regressed last season then we don't agree and I'd say the team doesn't agree with you either.

Sure this could be as good as it gets for Trey or he could become an all star. Which is the point why make that decision right now. His contract is team friendly (as all rookie deals are). He's a hard worker and a good locker guy.

Maybe that's the biggest difference in these 2 points of view. To me at best Burke was the same player, But I see him as having regressed. I doubt his ability to fit this system, and don't believe he has the skills to make up for lack of size, strength and speed he is missing. I'd rather they trade him simply to save face for the franchise, but as I've said before I would be fine with it if they straight up cut him because I really don't see much worth in keeping him if he loses the backup job.

 

[da ThRONe]

Maybe that's the biggest difference in these 2 points of view. To me at best Burke was the same player, But I see him as having regressed. I doubt his ability to fit this system, and don't believe he has the skills to make up for lack of size, strength and speed he is missing. I'd rather they trade him simply to save face for the franchise, but as I've said before I would be fine with it if they straight up cut him because I really don't see much worth in keeping him if he loses the backup job.

How about just wait and see? Trey could lose his backup spot or he could steal back the starting gig. Why cut the guy because you don't think he'll get better? How is it beneficial to not let this play out of course unless you can get value in a trade?

 

[zman1527]

How about just wait and see? Trey could lose his backup spot or he could steal back the starting gig. Why cut the guy because you don't think he'll get better? How is it beneficial to not let this play out of course unless you can get value in a trade?

Maybe because you have determined that his physical liabilities will never change and will never be overcome? He is short and slow, and has not demonstrated compensating abilities.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Maybe because you have determined that his physical liabilities will never change and will never be overcome? He is short and slow, and has not demonstrated compensating abilities.

Even if you have determined that, how does it benefit the team to cut him now?

 

[slc]

Would not cut any of the three PGs Burke/Cotton/Neto till the very last cut.
If any of the three gets hurt just before season starts that settles what to do.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Again if you think Burke regressed last season then we don't agree and I'd say the team doesn't agree with you either.

Sure this could be as good as it gets for Trey or he could become an all star. Which is the point why make that decision right now. His contract is team friendly (as all rookie deals are). He's a hard worker and a good locker guy.

What were his shooting %'s from rookie to soph. How many shots did he take? I'd say jacking up more shots while shooting a lower percentage is regression. And don't give me excuses about Trey having to take shots. He had better teammates last year than previous as the record shows. And he was relegated to the 2nd unit because he was passing less to the starters...that's regression.

Unfortunately most teams have the same opinion. Trey was shopped and DL apparently didn't get any decent offers.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Dellavedova or Burke?
Doesn't appear as if the Cavs can keep Dellavedova. They made him a QO so he's a restricted free agent but have been unable to reach a contract agreement and are being tax conscious. MD wants $4M apparently. Would be an easy trade as it saves Cleveland $1.3M in salary (what Burke will make vs. what Dellavedova wants). I'm on the fence over this one. MD is more of a combo guard. But then again, TB plays like one too.

 

[da ThRONe]

What were his shooting %'s from rookie to soph. How many shots did he take? I'd say jacking up more shots while shooting a lower percentage is regression. And don't give me excuses about Trey having to take shots. He had better teammates last year than previous as the record shows. And he was relegated to the 2nd unit because he was passing less to the starters...that's regression.

Unfortunately most teams have the same opinion. Trey was shopped and DL apparently didn't get any decent offers.

Shooting a lower percentage is just one aspect of basketball. He improved defensively and got to the cup much easier. You can't ignore the fact that he was clearly told to be more aggressive offensively because it doesn't suit your position.

As for the trading Burke situation that's not what was reported. It was reported DL's received offers he just was in a position of power and didn't see a need to settle on a trade.

 

[Red]

Shooting a lower percentage is just one aspect of basketball. He improved defensively and got to the cup much easier. You can't ignore the fact that he was clearly told to be more aggressive offensively because it doesn't suit your position.

As for the trading Burke situation that's not what was reported. It was reported DL's received offers he just was in a position of power and didn't see a need to settle on a trade.

Thanks for clarifying the trade thing. That's a big difference in what was happening at draft time then what I thought. I thought they were actively shopping him; not so. I'm sure Burke will fight tooth and nail to be no worse then backup pg.