Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[Ron Mexico]

Maybe he wants to take up the mantle Don left. I’d have my concerns about his happiness long term as Utah is uhhhhh not diverse. I wonder if he’d be happy playing for a good team in a good role and getting his big payday. If he is traded I’d guess that he wanted a new contract they weren’t willing to give him. I think he’s worth it but the front office ownership situation aren’t ideal there… so owners may just see dollars and get nervous. I would bet that Dame is not with the Blazers by the end of next season.

He left a good team and a good situation in Denver. Unless he's changed I don't see any way he wants to stay in Utah. I wouldn't take the risk on him. I'm not sure why people have been pushing to trade for him after he left Denver. He made it pretty clear what he wanted and it wasn't Utah.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I have this sinking feeling the Jazz are going to surprise us and do a win now move like Collins or OG.

Why would that be a surprise? All three rumors have pointed that way and it's pretty normal for DA. It also makes sense with Lauri.

 

[The Midnight]

Is Collins that much of an upgrade over Vandy? Dunno much about him

 

[Thejazzkickazz]

Shams is the Tesla, Woj is the Model T

It's fitting that this post was liked by someone named "Bentley".

 

[Thejazzkickazz]

I HATE Grayson Allen. Only Dillon Brooks supersedes Allen.

Brooks and Allen. Sounds more like a comedy team than a pair of basketball players.

 

[mdalby]

Is Collins that much of an upgrade over Vandy? Dunno much about him

Vando is so limited on offense, even though he has a higher 3 pt %. I think his defense is overrated.

I love Vando on the offensive boards though.

 

[HermanG]

Is Collins that much of an upgrade over Vandy? Dunno much about him

He is a 20/10 upside guy with better defense... whereas Vando is more like 15/10 (and that is being generous to Vando, since Collins has produced 20/10 and Vando best season is this season with 8.5/8). Offensively Collins is a good shooter and an elite lob finisher and PnR guy.. which is one reason why Capela being healthy drops his numbers. He is not great with the ball in his hands and doesnt self create.. so spot up, PnR and lobs.

Vando is a better passer and ballhandler as well.. but the difference is not great. For shooting.. Vando starter the year hot and Collins started it cold as ice but he has a history of being much better and more frequent 3P shooter taking 3-4 attempts per game for his career (career avg .359 and career best season .409).

Vando is 2 years younger though... but since both are young I dont see that as a huge advantage. Biggest advantage for Vando is his contract. Collins' is not good.. albeit I personally think he can live up to that.

Check out this highlight reel from last year and that gives you a clear idea about the type of things he does that Vando doesnt.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIzcIj0Lpyk

 

[mdalby]

View: https://twitter.com/N8Xtreme/status/1614350882069712896?t=OZ9F4trn_7jGTsCyj9z_EQ&s=19

 

[FrenchJazzFa]

View: https://twitter.com/N8Xtreme/status/1614350882069712896?t=OZ9F4trn_7jGTsCyj9z_EQ&s=19

 

[HermanG]

Tbh.. I'm much more high on OG than Collins who I still like (but less now that OG is a possibility lol).

I just love the idea of Kessler setting screens on point of attack while having a 2 headed monster to crash the paint from either side or shoot the corner 3s when the opponent is forced to play help defense. Both Lauri and Collins crash the offensive glass as well, which is what Hardy loves and advocates for... generating 2nd chance points.

While Collins numbers looked bad early season.. when Capela was injured his numbers changed completely. Between Dec 28th and Jan 15th he played with Okongwu as Capela was injured and his averages went up to 16.3 PPG 8.8 RPG 1.4 BPG despite his 3PT shooting still being off.

That 3P% drop has had be more worried ever since someone reminded me about his freak finger injury last year... I dont know if that has been the major factor in his shooting and recently he has been trending up on his 3P% but definitely a concern.

 

[The Midnight]

He is a 20/10 upside guy with better defense... whereas Vando is more like 15/10 (and that is being generous to Vando, since Collins has produced 20/10 and Vando best season is this season with 8.5/8). Offensively Collins is a good shooter and an elite lob finisher and PnR guy.. which is one reason why Capela being healthy drops his numbers. He is not great with the ball in his hands and doesnt self create.. so spot up, PnR and lobs.

Vando is a better passer and ballhandler as well.. but the difference is not great. For shooting.. Vando starter the year hot and Collins started it cold as ice but he has a history of being much better and more frequent 3P shooter taking 3-4 attempts per game for his career (career avg .359 and career best season .409).

Vando is 2 years younger though... but since both are young I dont see that as a huge advantage. Biggest advantage for Vando is his contract. Collins' is not good.. albeit I personally think he can live up to that.

Check out this highlight reel from last year and that gives you a clear idea about the type of things he does that Vando doesnt.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIzcIj0Lpyk

Yeah the main issue for me is the contract. $25m a year? I dunno, that could be cheap in a couple of years, but as of right now that looks kinda steep to me if we're not yet contending..

 

[HermanG]

Yeah the main issue for me is the contract. $25m a year? I dunno, that could be cheap in a couple of years, but as of right now that looks kinda steep to me if we're not yet contending..

This is why DA was adamant that they add a pick to the trade... and likely will continue to demand that if the package going to them is Beasley and Vando.