Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[Handlogten's Heros]

I know it was 5 minutes but he was atrocious on both sides of the ball… missed a rotation… went too far off of CJ… dribbled the air out of the ball and put up bad shots. His one assist was simply throwing an entry pass to Jeff green who dribbles and shot over Alvarado… he was very obviously benched last night after his terrible performance… after the game a report comes out that he wants to go somewhere where he has a larger role.

Sounds like a guy we totally would want here… performs like garbage and wants a bigger role… real winner **** there.

 

[LogGrad98]

I think prime MJ might do it, but only if the Knicks don’t have the leverage. And we all know they’d have the leverage

 

[LogGrad98]

The confirmation bias I most often see on the board is in game threads when posters only look for the good for player's they like and only look for the bad for player's they dislike. In reality all players do a mix of good or bad in every game, but for the player they like they focus on the 40% of the shots they make vs the player they dislike they focus on the 60% of the shots that they miss (as an example).

As far as statistics, I think it's important to differentiate between black box statistics like RAPTOR, LEBRON, etc. and statistics based on known calculations. If the statistics are based on known calculations, it should be possible to understand the context in which they support/refute an argument for or against an opinion about a player. Whether a person likes or dislikes a player is obviously subjective, but there are so many ways to objectively evaluate players with stats based on known calculations, that we don't need to cry confirmation bias every time statistics are used.

Well if that 40% is from the 3 point line, that is elite. Man I wish I could fail 60% of the time and even keep my job, let alone make millions playing a game.

 

[LogGrad98]

To be more precise, here is the full progression flow of confirmation bias:
1) Form an opinion based on eye ball test or gut feeling
2) Find a stat or stats to support your opinion (CONFIRMED)
3) If #2 fails, find an advance stat or stats to support your opinion (remember all lineup variations!!!) (CONFIRMED)
4) If #2 and #3 fail, find an "expert" that supports your opinion (CONFIRMED)
5) If #2-#4 fail, seriously, find any random dude from the internet who supports your opinion (CONFIRMED)
6) If #2-#5 fail, you should really trust your gut anyways (CONFIRMED)

Veteran posters can skip phases 2-5.

#5 is the entire reason why twitter even exists.

 

[LogGrad98]

Question: is RAPTOR and WAR RAPTOR considered advanced stats?

They are advanced stats describing groups of other advanced stats. Very meta. But also pretty reasonably effective in describing impact on the court, as it pulls from multiple other stats, not just 1 or 2.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Completely disagree with what? Lauri playing more SF? Adding a forward is a better move than subtracting one?

The idea that we should be playing Lauri as a 3. That's a terrible terrible terrible terrible, cant really say it enough, idea.

 

[HermanG]

The idea that we should be playing Lauri as a 3. That's a terrible terrible terrible terrible, cant really say it enough, idea.

Ok.. so the thing Cavs did to truely get him developing in the right direction and the thing we have done with him most of his breakout year is a bad idea? Why?

 

[Korisfani]

Lauri has played most of this season as a 3. On D, he's mostly on 3s. On O, most of his plays are what you'd expect from 3s and even guards (all the pindowns and pops for threes), much less posting up.

Lauri hasn't been 4 x terrible this season.

(When it's Kessler at 5, anyone at 4 obviously can't be a complete non-threat beyond 10 ft.)

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yall are too rigid with definitions on positions. The best thing we can do next to Lauri and Kessler is put a long 3 and D wing... full stop. Can you put a PF oriented guy in that lineup? Sure... but not sure that is the best defensive alignment and the PF needs to be able to shoot. Putting perimeter defense and shooting around Lauri/Walker would turn be great... if that SF had some passing chops and playmaking ability then you are cooking with fish oil.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yall are too rigid with definitions on positions. The best thing we can do next to Lauri and Kessler is put a long 3 and D wing... full stop. Can you put a PF oriented guy in that lineup? Sure... but not sure that is the best defensive alignment and the PF needs to be able to shoot. Putting perimeter defense and shooting around Lauri/Walker would turn be great... if that SF had some passing chops and playmaking ability then you are cooking with fish oil.

Yes, positional talk is often annoying and convoluted, but in general you want Lauri being guarded by the opposing team's 4 (aka their 2nd tallest/slowest player in most cases). You dont want to give them a non-skilled player to hid weak defensive links on. You dont want to put out a non-shooter that shrinks the court. You dont want Lauri floating too much on the perimeter, you want him to have space to cut/post/drive.

 

[Pinhead]

I mean, we dont know they are that high on Clarkson, the fact just is that Clarkson is more valuable if we re-sign him vs not. Ideally you dont want assets to just walk.

I guess I’m letting the

Ok.. so the thing Cavs did to truely get him developing in the right direction and the thing we have done with him most of his breakout year is a bad idea? Why?

im also confused here… isn’t Lauri a SF?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If you can route Vando to Indy for their Houston second (and maybe more seconds) and then send that to Charlotte for McDaniels... I think you could get an extension worked out and i'd be willing to bet he sees the difference between Utah and Charlotte and wants to stay anyway. That's a guy I'd take a swing on and think the price could be reasonable.