Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[HermanG]

I just think if you are designing the perfect front court mate for Lauri... that player is going to very much be a SF and that doesn't mean Lauri has to play like a traditional 4. Defensively having Lauri guard the Paul George's of the world or Mikal Bridges is a terrible idea.... I think its obvious that Lauri is like the fully idealized idea/version of what you'd want as a modern PF. Switchy, rim protection, plays great on the perimeter, if you put a SF on him he will be too big so you need someone with PF size that moves well enough on the perimeter.

With Kessler that PF/SF can't be a non-shooter... you are more likely to find the defense/shooting etc in a bigger SF than in a PF.

This is a list from NBA.com of the top SF and PF coming into season (not my list, dont know why AD is PF). Which group Lauri belongs in based on the way he plays?

SF:

• #8 Brandon Ingram. ...
• #7 Andrew Wiggins. ...
• #6 Jimmy Butler. ...
• #5 Paul George. ...
• #4 Jayson Tatum. ...
• #3 Kawhi Leonard. ...
• #2 Kevin Durant. ...
• #1 LeBron James. Expect James to be more motivated than ever.

PF:

• #8 Draymond Green. ...
• #7 Pascal Siakam. ...
• #6 Paolo Banchero. ...
• #5 Anthony Davis. ...
• #4 Evan Mobley. ...
• #3 Karl-Anthony Towns. ...
• #2 Zion Williamson. ...
• #1 Giannis Antetokounmpo.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I think this deadline is a big deal for the Jazz and I really hope we play it right. If it really is a seller's market only I hope we sell all our vets and Vando for great stuff even if it makes us worse this year. Then next year we can make a push to improve a lot through trades and FA. But I'm still hoping we can get younger and improve.

I want us to push for home court in the playoffs the most or secondly drop off with more assets and younger guys getting more run. I don't want to sit where we are though.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I love people in this thread desperate for draft picks yet see a project player likes bones in his second year and are like he's terrible and makes lots of mistakes! That's pretty much 99% of all draft picks for about 3 years.

Players with upside who haven't figured it out and might need more development seem like a decent option for this team.

Bones specifically though I haven't really watched enough though to be honest.

Its not just the mistakes... its the player type... we good on shot happy combo guards.

Its also not just that the guy sucks... that is fine. Its that Cy will dig in and be like "nah he'd help us win more than this guy we have on the roster that makes some of the same mistakes but is actually way more efficient". That's where Cy gets himself in trouble.

If Bones becomes good... it will look a lot like Jordan Clarkson... we already have JC... we also have Sexton. Cy's positioning of Bones as some potential high level passer is wild.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

This is a list from NBA.com of the top SF and PF coming into season (not my list, dont know why AD is PF). Which group Lauri belongs in based on the way he plays?

SF:

• #8 Brandon Ingram. ...
• #7 Andrew Wiggins. ...
• #6 Jimmy Butler. ...
• #5 Paul George. ...
• #4 Jayson Tatum. ...
• #3 Kawhi Leonard. ...
• #2 Kevin Durant. ...
• #1 LeBron James. Expect James to be more motivated than ever.

PF:

• #8 Draymond Green. ...
• #7 Pascal Siakam. ...
• #6 Paolo Banchero. ...
• #5 Anthony Davis. ...
• #4 Evan Mobley. ...
• #3 Karl-Anthony Towns. ...
• #2 Zion Williamson. ...
• #1 Giannis Antetokounmpo.

this is exactly what I am saying... you are being too rigid here. I'm less concerned about which bucket lauri should go in and more concerned about what his partner should be. Take Giannis out of the equation as he plays literally every position for the Bucks at times... Who fits best with Lauri... the guys on the SF list of the PF list? Its super obvious to me that the guys on the SF list are way better fits.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Its not just the mistakes... its the player type... we good on shot happy combo guards.

Its also not just that the guy sucks... that is fine. Its that Cy will dig in and be like "nah he'd help us win more than this guy we have on the roster that makes some of the same mistakes but is actually way more efficient". That's where Cy gets himself in trouble.

If Bones becomes good... it will look a lot like Jordan Clarkson... we already have JC... we also have Sexton. Cy's positioning of Bones as some potential high level passer is wild.

I fully agree we have more than enough shot happy combo guards and I'll add in that don't play defense. I think he has defensive upside and some court vision upside from what I've seen though. I would hardly trade much for him though. Denver looking to move him doesn't concern me though, they are full on win now mode. Clarkson, Sexton, and Beasley often don't even realize there are teammates on the court. We just need guys who can score and also move the ball, he might not be that guy though.

The downside is I would like to see more NAW in the second half. His defense is solid and sometimes is a decent passer who seems close to putting it together.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Its not just the mistakes... its the player type... we good on shot happy combo guards.

Its also not just that the guy sucks... that is fine. Its that Cy will dig in and be like "nah he'd help us win more than this guy we have on the roster that makes some of the same mistakes but is actually way more efficient". That's where Cy gets himself in trouble.

If Bones becomes good... it will look a lot like Jordan Clarkson... we already have JC... we also have Sexton. Cy's positioning of Bones as some potential high level passer is wild.

That's a wild amount of generalization.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

This is a list from NBA.com of the top SF and PF coming into season (not my list, dont know why AD is PF). Which group Lauri belongs in based on the way he plays?

SF:

• #8 Brandon Ingram. ...
• #7 Andrew Wiggins. ...
• #6 Jimmy Butler. ...
• #5 Paul George. ...
• #4 Jayson Tatum. ...
• #3 Kawhi Leonard. ...
• #2 Kevin Durant. ...
• #1 LeBron James. Expect James to be more motivated than ever.

PF:

• #8 Draymond Green. ...
• #7 Pascal Siakam. ...
• #6 Paolo Banchero. ...
• #5 Anthony Davis. ...
• #4 Evan Mobley. ...
• #3 Karl-Anthony Towns. ...
• #2 Zion Williamson. ...
• #1 Giannis Antetokounmpo.

I also think its hilarious if you consider both Lauri and Walker together... you'd obviously pick guys from the SF list.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

That's a wild amount of generalization.

Its not.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Look I'm fairly sure we trade Vando... I'm also fairly sure we won't do it for Bones... So we will get to compare what we trade for Vando to Bones and I think 90% will be happier than if we traded for Bones.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Look I'm fairly sure we trade Vando... I'm also fairly sure we won't do it for Bones... So we will get to compare what we trade for Vando to Bones and I think 90% will be happier than if we traded for Bones.

I will say I doubt we get anything better than Bones on his own, but the odds are higher that he's in a package deal.

 

[KqWIN]

Ironic that we're talking about having too many no defense, all offense players now but when we were actually trying to win a championship (but getting fried on defense) we couldn't make any offense for defense trades.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiret...y-Decrease-Asking-Price-In-John-Collins-Trade

Danny smells the blood in the water. I love the daily Collins rumors... "we will keep him forever" yesterday and "everything must go" today. They have no idea what they are doing and someone should pillage them. I'd do Collins for Beasley/Vando and we get a pick swap this year with the Philly pick. I'd consider Beasley/Gay for JC and seconds if we can get something solid for Vando elsewhere... but I think Danny is looking for more.