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Its also not like we didn't just have an all-NBA center who would do **** in FIBA that he wouldn't do in the regular season, and damn sure didn't do in the playoffs.

FIBA is a different animal.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Its also not like we didn't just have an all-NBA center who would do **** in FIBA that he wouldn't do in the regular season, and damn sure didn't do in the playoffs.

FIBA is a different animal.
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Again, you're talking about a guy with a significantly different role than from NBA to FIBA/OLY play.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Pressure situations are pressure situations... period. Dude crushed it in the tourney in a huge pressure situation... but couldn't make enough shots when there was pressure to keep his job... weird.
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Again, it's like you are being stubborn on purpose. Jared Butler clearly has a limit to his competition level. I'm sure if you put Jared Butler in a league where he was a star quality player like Lauri is in the NBA, that grit/clutch gene would show in those big moments. You keep comparing rotting tomatoes to apples like you think you made a point.

I've never said being clutch in a lower level of competition translates to you being good at a higher competition level.
 
I love the hypothetical Detroit trade. I would take Jarace Walker. Durable, better body type to match Lauri..good long-term match. Great ball mover and the front court terrorizes the league. Then I would trade 16 and 28 to find a nother good wing player, i.e., Bilal.

And finally I would try to buy back in the 2nd round for Isiah Wong for a quality point guard according to the advanced stats. Not super star but very efficient productive and can play in the league. Otherwise look for a Gleague scrub.

This would be a great balanced team..just need the Conley sauve/grit..

Dunn/Wong/THT
Jordan/Sexton/Bilal
Lauri/Fontechio
Jarace/Gay
Kessler/Jones/Dok
 
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I love the hypothetical Detroit trade. I would take Jarace Walker. Durable, better body type to match Lauri..good long-term match. Great ball mover and the front court terrorizes the league. Then I would trade 16 and 28 to find a nother good wing player, i.e., Bilal.

And finally I would try to buy back in the 2nd round for Isiah Wong for a quality point guard according to the advanced stats. Not super star but very efficient productive and can play in the league. Otherwise look for a Gleague scrub.

This would be a great balanced team..just need the Conley grit..

Dunn/Wong/THT/
Jordan/Sexton/Bilal
Lauri/Fontechio
Jarace/Gay
Kessler/Jones/Dok
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THT behind Wong and Dunn. Smh
 
I don't think trading up is realistic. I love Walker but I'm not sure I love him enough vs what would be available at 9 plus whatever else we would have to give up.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I don't think trading up is realistic. I love Walker but I'm not sure I love him enough vs what would be available at 9 plus whatever else we would have to give up.
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I think it’s super realistic but Walker is 9th on my big board so I hope we wouldn’t trade up for him.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
It really isn't and history is starting to really be on the side of the big star trades not working out and being a huge win for the team getting the picks and players. Clearing the amount of space, getting the players we did, and the enormous amount of picks is a risk adverse strategy... its diversifying the portfolio.


There are like 5-7 teams that have hamstrung themselves with this logic. Soooo many teams move to the all-in group that moving the other direction was the smart move. This isn't hindsight either... I was on this corner before the Mavs series.


It was timed perfectly. Both of those guys are worth less than what we sold them for.


Its not a yard sale if you sell your **** for 150% of what you bought it for... that's the difference.


Again if its Lauri for #3... a deal I think Porty would do... Its a no thanks from me. If its Lauri for #3+Simons+picks.... at some point as much as you don't want to do it... its the smarter bet.

The much better route would be to keep Lauri and build around him and Kessler and use some of our draft capital to move up or just hope to hit home runs in the draft/FA. But if the front office doesn't think that can get done AND there are no sellers (Toronto, Brooklyn, etc.) there may end up being a super premium. I love my house but if someone offers me 150% of what FMV should be I will be calling the movers.
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Not sure what trading for big stars has to do with my argument but I would simply say there are smart ways to do so and dumb ways and the majority of the recent ones were acts of desperation, which is never good. And your logic works if and only if you dont believe you could have built successfully around a proven piece that we already have. I think we could have been very successful doing so and what we got for each piece proves it. And if were weren't retooling we could have gotten a lot more out of the dumb trades we did that would not have been needed or could have landed us something real. You can like the approach all you want but as one who consults with companies on business models calling this diversifying the portfolio makes no sense to me. We went all in on our view of unproven talent. Rebuilding is sometimes needed but doing it in a way that is self inflicted is risky which is exactly what we did. Every year we miss the playoffs it is because we chose to do so, not because we needed to. Hope it works out and happy to agree to disagree on how we got here. At least when kcgar from the Jazz FO disagrees with me I know I am on the right track. I am guessing he likes the horrible jerseys we now have.
 
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