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Handlogten's Heros said:
Its still about upside. They don't post him up because that isn't their game. He's still young. I think its ambitious to project a lot of growth/improvement.

But he's a young top 10 center and free agency always results in overpays in the borderline AS tier. I wouldn't want to give LaVine $200M either but that's what you have to do.
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Yeah, so you should only really want to sign Ayton if you want to commit to a post-up centric offense IMO.

How many teams want to do that? Right now only the Nuggets/Sixers do that because they have generational players. Ayton is very good, but he I don't think he is generational. To me if you max him out, you better be ready to really maximize him. And idk, he just seems kind of soft. ESPN did a feature article on him recently and he said he gets 2 hours of sleep some nights because he stays up playing video games all night.

Just give me Jakob Poetl over Ayton at his contract (of course Poetl is going to get a pay raise soon, but I doubt it's north of 15-18 million). Spurs should not be looking to go that route IMO.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah, so you should only really want to sign Ayton if you want to commit to a post-up centric offense IMO.

How many teams want to do that? Right now only the Nuggets/Sixers do that because they have generational players. Ayton is very good, but he I don't think he is generational. To me if you max him out, you better be ready to really maximize him. And idk, he just seems kind of soft. ESPN did a feature article on him recently and he said he gets 2 hours of sleep some nights because he stays up playing video games all night.

Just give me Jakob Poetl over Ayton at his contract (of course Poetl is going to get a pay raise soon, but I doubt it's north of 15-18 million). Spurs should not be looking to go that route IMO.
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He's always seemed less committed than I would want. Soft is a good word. He was better last year and really played his role... I think he thought he should get paid and it likely bothered him all year.

I would tend to agree on Poeltl vs. Ayton. But DeAndre has some potential. Doesn't have to be post centric but just hook a brotha up every now and again ya know. Keep him doing all the other stuff.

Ayton is kinda in that JV tier of center but I like him a little more because he doesn't take stuff off the table... he's an easier fit. The price tag is too high but that's the name of the game in FA.

SA may do something else instead but Atlanta, Charlotte, etc. don't have cap space. That may be where the best return comes from. Detroit is also young and doesn't have much use for their cap space for a couple years so no biggie there.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
No... you are wrong... the last thing they want to do is have him walk for nothing. They were comfortable with the risk in not extending him because in the worst case scenario they match a 4 year max (he wanted 5 last summer). He likely will play as he would be fined for not showing up. He won't lose all his trade value... if there are multiple max's out there for him it means he has a market.

They have a bunch of other ways to cut salary short term and don't have a huge issue until 2 years from now.

Detroit and SA are bidding against each other and other teams.... so it will end up being something of substance. Even if Detroit just send like Stewart and KO then Phoenix would create a trade exception they could use as well. Its not an amazing haul but he won't walk for nothing... and the team that does get him to sign an offer sheet without a sign and trade is the LEAST likely team to get him.
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You might be right, but I don't think it's as big of a certainty as you are making it out to be.

If Phoenix matches a max, they are stuck for a year with it and anything can happen in a year.

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LoPo said:
You might be right, but I don't think it's as big of a certainty as you are making it out to be.

If Phoenix matches a max, they are stuck for a year with it and anything can happen in a year.

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They could move him before the deadline... not stuck at all.

Remember when Blake signed for infinity dollars with the Clips and they traded him for Tobias and the pick that became SGA that year? Then they traded Tobias a year later for like 2 firsts. Don't let talent walk out the door.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Well here is the deal... even if its a toxic one then Phoenix will match and trade him mid-season. Even if they have to do the Ben Simmons and he sits out. He won't walk for nothing. If you are the team that offers him the sheet that gets matched you can't trade for him for 12 months. The other thing is it will tie up your cap space for like 2 weeks. They have a few days to match the offer but can delay physicals and he can't sign it until after the moratorium. All the deals are agreed upon that first week... no one is going to sit around and wait to get their offer and so you will miss out on the other free agents.

Phoenix has to balance what the trade offer is now vs what it will be midseason and the BS they have to endure to get there. So they may take a lower offer. So if Poetl and Vassell are on the table you might take that with a smile on your face. Detroit may not have good uses for their cap space so they sign him to a poison offer and if they win great and if not nbd... but if they really want him... you work the sign and trade angle.

If they just let him walk they won't open up cap space and they lose a guy that was the #1 pick and helped their team to a finals appearance and get absolutely nothing in return. They won't let that happen.
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The other factor, of course, is that Ayton has to agree to sign with the team(s) in question in the first place.
 
Sad to think how messed up the nba has gotten, that they think Ayton is a more valuable commodity then Gobert that gives a team top 10-15 production on the court. Sad that everyone is fawning over him when Gobert could potentially be on the market for trade.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Sad to think how messed up the nba has gotten, that they think Ayton is a more valuable commodity then Gobert that gives a team top 10-15 production on the court. Sad that everyone is fawning over him when Gobert could potentially be on the market for trade.
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I'm not sure teams really do feel that way. Teams that want Gobert are looking for a defensive backstop and elite rim presence. Teams wanting Ayton are looking for someone who does a bit of everything. The fact that PHX was ambivalent about extending Ayton doesn't show much confidence on their part. Also, Ayton was much more effective when he was playing with Chris Paul, but he can disappear for stretches on his own.

The other appeal of Ayton is that usually in sign-and-trade scenarios the team losing the FA doesn't get equal value back. In other words, Ayton won't cost too much in a trade.
 
LoPo said:
As of today, I still think the best trade for us is trading Rudy to Atlanta and getting two of Hunter, Collins and Huerter. If we can make that happen, that's a movement towards youth and athleticism.

Then we try to trade Bojan and Conley for more of the same. If Don wants out, we trade him for even more youth and athleticism.

We don't have to tear it down and tank.

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like the Thunders without intentionally shutting down their best players. might win 40something games and have a shot at the play-in
 
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