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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

Elizah Huge said:
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This explains everything you need to know. That knock-off trade machine doesn’t calculate all of this stuff. Trades in the off-season with pending free agents are a lot more tricky than regular in season trades.
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I understand. That's why so many draft deals don't get finalized until the new league year.

Seems that site does take cap holds into account, but it just makes the assumption that enough are let go by the team for "success" .

Nurkic and Simons have pretty small cap holds really. Only $30 million between the 2. Portland is in an interesting place.

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LoPo said:
I understand. That's why so many draft deals don't get finalized until the new league year.

Seems that site does take cap holds into account, but it just makes the assumption that enough are let go by the team for "success" .

Nurkic and Simons have pretty small cap holds really. Only $30 million between the 2. Portland is in an interesting place.

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You waive Nurkic cap hold and you lose his bird rights same with Simons and he becomes unrestricted vs restricted.
 
LoPo said:
Portland won't let those two go. They could re-sign them first, but I doubt combined they sign less than $30.

For sure, I would imagine Joe is gone.

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They won’t have space… they’d also have to waive a 20M salary cap exception. There is no salary cap room play here at all unless they have the worst most horrible catastrophic summer where they:

Waive simons and Nurkic… waive Harts deal… they can’t find anything good to do with their trade exception. They also end up losing the MLE.

They will do much better by finding a trade with Bledsoes salary… keeping Hart Nurkic and Simons… then they would still have the full MLE. Their “capspace” is a mirage.
 
Jake Fischer article in B/R --
View: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10036706-early-nba-free-agency-buzz-intel-on-deandre-ayton-zach-lavine-and-more

Some good nuggets in here--
** Chatter seems to be that the Suns will try to sign-and-trade Ayton to another team. Mentions Blazers, Spurs, Pistons, Hawks and Hornets as possibilities.
** Speculates that Hawks' players, aside from Trae, could be attainable in trade and that the team is willing to make big changes.
** Collins, Huerter and Gallinari were in trade discussions before last Feb's trade deadline.
** Donovan Mitchell and Bradley Beal are expected to stay with Utah and Washington, respectively, but Hawks are positioned to make a big offer if either becomes available.
** Hawks are also a potential destination for Zach Lavine, as are Portland and San Antonio.

Teams that strike out on Deandre Ayton might have some level of interest in Gobert -- Blazers, Spurs, Hawks and Hornets especially.
I'm hoping that teams trying to attract Lavine in free agency might overpay on Gobert in order to seal the deal with Lavine -- Hawks, Spurs, Blazers.

I think we want the Hawks and Spurs to miss out on Ayton, then bid against each other for Gobert in order to attract Lavine to sign with them.
 
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Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Jake Fischer article in B/R --
View: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10036706-early-nba-free-agency-buzz-intel-on-deandre-ayton-zach-lavine-and-more

Some good nuggets in here--
** Chatter seems to be that the Suns will try to sign-and-trade Ayton to another team. Mentions Blazers, Spurs, Pistons, Hawks and Hornets as possibilities.
** Speculates that Hawks' players, aside from Trae, could be attainable in trade and that the team is willing to make big changes.
** Collins, Huerter and Gallinari were in trade discussions before last Feb's trade deadline.
** Donovan Mitchell and Bradley Beal are expected to stay with Utah and Washington, respectively, but Hawks are positioned to make a big offer if either becomes available.
** Hawks are also a potential destination for Zach Lavine, as are Portland and San Antonio.

Teams that strike out on Deandre Ayton might have some level of interest in Gobert -- Blazers, Spurs, Hawks and Hornets especially.
I'm hoping that teams trying to attract Lavine in free agency might overpay on Gobert in order to seal the deal with Lavine -- Hawks, Spurs, Blazers.

I think we want the Hawks and Spurs to miss out on Ayton, then bid against each other for Gobert in order to attract Lavine to sign with them.
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Here is the issue with your Ayton Rudy markets… you’d like to trade Rudy on draft night if you are landing a pick… Ayton can’t be traded until free agency opens. So the potential Ayton market may actually make teams wait to see how that resolves first… doesn’t kill Rudy deals of course but you’d be taking future picks back instead of current picks.

If Rudy is dealt this offseason I think it happens on draft week/night.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Here is the issue with your Ayton Rudy markets… you’d like to trade Rudy on draft night if you are landing a pick… Ayton can’t be traded until free agency opens. So the potential Ayton market may actually make teams wait to see how that resolves first… doesn’t kill Rudy deals of course but you’d be taking future picks back instead of current picks.

If Rudy is dealt this offseason I think it happens on draft week/night.
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This is true, but the decisions will be made in advance. By the draft, people will know where Ayton wants to sign on a 4-year max, where Lavine wants to go (at least his shortlist), and where Rudy will be traded (if he's traded). If there is uncertainty surrounding the Ayton situation, it will be due to the specifics of the sign-and-trade with Phoenix. And if things are really unsettled--for instance, if there is a chance that PHX matches the Ayton offer sheet, it might even play in the Jazz's favor and make a team commit to Rudy sooner.

If you're the Spurs, and you have the chance to put Lavine and Gobert next to Dejounte Murray, you probably don't wait on account of what happens with Ayton.
If you're the Hawks and you can do the same with Trae Young, you probably make that your gameplan before the draft.

To your point though, it would be nice if by draft night everyone knows the Suns want to trade Ayton to Charlotte, and Ayton is on board with it. Draft picks could factor in to the Ayton trade as well, even if it's not completed until early July.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
This is true, but the decisions will be made in advance. By the draft, people will know where Ayton wants to sign on a 4-year max, where Lavine wants to go (at least his shortlist), and where Rudy will be traded (if he's traded). If there is uncertainty surrounding the Ayton situation, it will be due to the specifics of the sign-and-trade with Phoenix. And if things are really unsettled--for instance, if there is a chance that PHX matches the Ayton offer sheet, it might even play in the Jazz's favor and make a team commit to Rudy sooner.

If you're the Spurs, and you have the chance to put Lavine and Gobert next to Dejounte Murray, you probably don't wait on account of what happens with Ayton.
If you're the Hawks and you can do the same with Trae Young, you probably make that your gameplan before the draft.

To your point though, it would be nice if by draft night everyone knows the Suns want to trade Ayton to Charlotte, and Ayton is on board with it. Draft picks could factor in to the Ayton trade as well, even if it's not completed until early July.
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While I know FA biz gets done early it does not get done before the draft. They will have an idea of what the options are but the draft is wildly unpredictable and will factor into team decisions. Say Atlanta or Charlotte land Mark Williams or Jalen Duren... they may not have value to Phoenix and they may not want to bid on a center. Or say you think you are signing Favs to a full MLE deal it would be asinine to... oh wait. nevermind.
 
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