Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[Elizah Huge]

Remember when Hawks fans said the deal would be Collins for Lauri and picks lmao.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Remember when Hawks fans said the deal would be Collins for Lauri and picks lmao.

We can all agree that ain't happening lol.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Jazz in: John Collins/2023 Phoenix 1st
Jazz out: Jarred Vanderbilt/Kelly Olynyk/Rudy Gay

Suns in: Jarred Vanderbilt/Rudy Gay
Suns out: Jae Crowder/2023 1st

Hawks in: Jae Crowder/Kelly Olynyk
Hawks out: John Collins

Salary is about as close to matching as you’ll ever get in a three-team deal. Thoughts?

 

[Park Bites]

Jazz in: John Collins/2023 Phoenix 1st
Jazz out: Jarred Vanderbilt/Kelly Olynyk/Rudy Gay

Suns in: Jarred Vanderbilt/Rudy Gay
Suns out: Jae Crowder/2023 1st

Hawks in: Jae Crowder/Kelly Olynyk
Hawks out: John Collins

Thoughts?

I like where your head is at not sure that the suns do that deal. It is not the worst. If the Jazz get Collins and a FRP danny would be elevated to a basketball god.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I like where your head is at not sure that the suns do that deal. It is not the worst. If the Jazz get Collins and a FRP danny would be elevated to a basketball god.

Suns would absolutely do it without the pick and maybe they would with the pick not sure. I’d do it without the pick anyways.

 

[HermanG]

Positions are fluid... but in general the rule is you are what you defend. In that case Vando ends up on more wings and guards... but is definitely playing center on offense. KO is guarding centers... Lauri is guarding 4s, 5s, and sometimes 3s. The ideal position for both Vando and Lauri is at the 4... maybe KO too.

I would say we have a bunch of guys suited to play the 4 ideally... and not many that are traditional SF types. Beasley is more a SG... but stuff is so fluid it doesn't matter all that much. I would say we lack a SF archetype more than a PF archetype regardless of where players have logged time.

My perspective is completely opposite. With man defense positional assignments dont matter.. matchups do.

But you are right that things are more fluid so these historical designations are partially rubbish.

However if you try to suggest that Lauri should go to weak side corner instead of playing next to the primary ballhandler, I respectfully disagree. Or that Vando should play closer to the ball.

Lauri is a wing, and has been a wing since he left the bulls. Or a stretch 5. But not 4... at least not primarily.

 

[HermanG]

Remember when Hawks fans said the deal would be Collins for Lauri and picks lmao.

Fun fact: They are still discussing it... albeit now in a past tense "why didnt we take that offer".

Some here offer Gay and THT for Collins. Tbf, its almost equally ridiculous.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

My perspective is completely opposite. With man defense positional assignments dont matter.. matchups do.

But you are right that things are more fluid so these historical designations are partially rubbish.

However if you try to suggest that Lauri should go to weak side corner instead of playing next to the primary ballhandler, I respectfully disagree. Or that Vando should play closer to the ball.

Lauri is a wing, and has been a wing since he left the bulls. Or a stretch 5. But not 4... at least not primarily.

yeah its all too fluid to worry about. I think Lauri is so flexible too. I would say you just plan to put the right types of players around Lauri and Kessler rather than worrying about what position they are.

Around those two you will want some perimeter defenders, some creators, and shooters.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Fun fact: They are still discussing it... albeit now in a past tense "why didnt we take that offer".

Some here offer Gay and THT for Collins. Tbf, its almost equally ridiculous.

Its ridiculous in the sense that they should be able to do better for Collins but I also get it based on how some view JC as a fit. Like "if they want this garbage offer they can have it". Its not like those people are the JC advocates.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I do wonder if new ownership in Phoenix means they open up the purse strings and would do a Collins deal now. Crowder and Saric or Shamet for JC... Atlanta gets some draft comp prolly.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Its ridiculous in the sense that they should be able to do better for Collins but I also get it based on how some view JC as a fit. Like "if they want this garbage offer they can have it". Its not like those people are the JC advocates.

What’s the point of even discussing garbage offers like that though?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

What’s the point of even discussing garbage offers like that though?

There is none... its just someone saying something to show how little they like a player... not like they are being serious and pushing for that deal.

When doing the trade stuff this offseason I found Hawks fans and podcasters to be among the most unreasonable and homerish.