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Trading Kirilenko

NotDeadYet

NotDeadYet

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Since the Jazz greatly value lineup stability, I seriously doubt we trade Kirilenko due to the number of lineup changes already forced upon us by free agency, but here is a trade to ponder that does work and saves us some $$$. Both are in the last year of their contracts.
According to ESPN trade machine, as of Aug. 17 this would be a valid straight-up trade:
https://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2dly8xd
This might interest Sacramento as they just drafted 2 bigs and already have Carl Landry and Jason Thompson. Our lineup would then be:
PG - Williams, Price, (I like Ryan Thompson > Sundiatta myself)
SG - Bell, Jeffers, Hayward(R), Miles
SF - Miles, Hayward(R), Evans(R)
PF - Jefferson, Millsap
C - Dalembert, Okur, Jefferson, Fesenko
 
Dalembert is overrated and slow as hell.

Dalembert/Jefferson/Okur would be like watching 3 sloths.

Pass.
 
Pass.

Dalembert peaked two years ago. He's slow, a poor passer, overrated on D, and is also incredibly inconsistent from game to game - he's like the second coming of Ostertag. I think we'd be better served giving Fes court time.
 
That's not even close to a good trade idea. I'll re-iterate what others have already said: 1) Dalembert is terrible. 2) Doing such a trade would leave us EXTREMELY thin on the wings. If we were going to do a trade like this, we would have to have done it a month or so ago, when we could have had a chance to replace AK with someone like Matt Barnes. And in that case, the financial relief that this trade scenario gave us would be nullified by the new addition.

So anyway...No. Absolutely not.
 
Too bad we don't play GS every night. It's like the Jazz are the freaking Globetrotters.

As far as keeping AK, his expiring contract should either be:

1. Allowed to expire for salary relief, because he is very integral (and yes, overpaid) team player when healthy, or:
2. Traded (probably around the deadline) only if a desperate team is willing to give up nice assets to relieve their own incompetence in payroll management.
 
Good observations. As I said, the Jazz would never do this. Just curious what response I'd get. IMO, having already lost 2 starters (Boozer and Matthews) and Okur at best starting the season with limited minutes, we'll be scrambling to regain good team cohesion which is necessary for our success. By not re-signing Boozer we pretty much ensured AK would stay right here.
Another point is people get awed by the Lakers' length, which is impressive, but what makes them doubly tough to deal with is the mobility of those big guys. Gasol is very smart and very agile, easily maneuvering into a position to his advantage against large, slower opponents. Just throwing length at them doesn't work...
 
I am fine with keeping AK all season. In fact I think it would be great if they resigned him for a few more years. Of course no need to mention that his contract amount needs to be about 1/3 of what he's getting paid now.
 
anonymous832 said:
That's not even close to a good trade idea. I'll re-iterate what others have already said: 1) Dalembert is terrible. 2) Doing such a trade would leave us EXTREMELY thin on the wings. If we were going to do a trade like this, we would have to have done it a month or so ago, when we could have had a chance to replace AK with someone like Matt Barnes. And in that case, the financial relief that this trade scenario gave us would be nullified by the new addition.
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1) Dalembert isn’t great but he isn’t terrible. He’s a 6-11 defensive center paid 2/3 AK’s salary and also on an expiring contract.

2) The reason the Jazz couldn’t have done this a month ago when ‘someone like Matt Barnes’ was still available is because Dalembert couldn’t be traded (again) until August 17th.

That said, although Sacramento’s under the cap to make it work, they won’t trade Dalembert to pay AK 6.6M extra as yet another 6-9 forward for a season. A key incentive to trade for them will be to unload another player on a multi-year deal.

But that Sac throw-in happens to solve the resulting ‘thinness’ at the wings. With Miles and Hayward at SF (and maybe a dash of Millsap in some situations) plus Bell at SG, the Jazz could have either Udrih as a backup PG/SG or Garcia as backup SG reprising Korver’s role as shooter.

Instead of paying around $17M to keep AK, the Jazz get a mobile, veteran defensive center and either a combo guard or shooter. The Jazz are now built around Deron and Jefferson, with Sap the third guy. The Jazz get a couple of useful role players.

NotDeadYet said:
Another point is people get awed by the Lakers' length, which is impressive, but what makes them doubly tough to deal with is the mobility of those big guys. Gasol is very smart and very agile, easily maneuvering into a position to his advantage against large, slower opponents. Just throwing length at them doesn't work...
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So what works, throwing smaller players at the Lakers? Will undersized Millsap’s hustle be enough to overcome Gasol’s or Odom’s height and length? LA hasn’t gotten any shorter since they’ve recently won back-to-back championships and along the way, swept the Jazz.

If the Jazz have somebody like Dalembert, he could take on Gasol while Jefferson bodies up on Bynum. Or Jefferson can take on Gasol while Dalembert tries to check Odom’s length. Millsap could probably guard Artest, who’s strong but not overly quick. As a plus, the Jazz have either a more stable PG and sometime SG in Udrih or a shooter in Garcia. Trading AK to Sac for Dalembert and either Udrih or Garcia would make the Jazz both longer and deeper.
 
<---------------AK supporter. Re-sign him after this season to a more manageable contract (which he has said he will support).
 
Nice catch; Udrih is over-priced, but an obvious upgrade. To go further, Sacramento would need a viable b/u PG in return, so I'd throw in Price.
That would give us something like:
PG - Williams, Udrih, Thompson
SG - Bell, Miles, Jeffers, Thompson
SF - Miles, Hayward, Evans (or a cheap PF)
PF - Millsap, Jefferson
C - Dalembert, Okur, Fesenko, Jefferson
Not bad, actually:cool:
 
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NotDeadYet said:
Nice catch; Udrih is over-priced, but an obvious upgrade. To go further, Sacramento would need a viable b/u PG in return, so I'd throw in Price.
That would give us something like:
PG - Williams, Udrih, Thompson
SG - Bell, Miles, Jeffers, Thompson
SF - Miles, Hayward, Evans (or a cheap PF)
PF - Millsap, Jefferson
C - Dalembert, Okur, Fesenko, Jefferson
Not bad, actually:cool:
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Yeah, something like that but I'd of course start Jefferson over Millsap and also use Udrih more as a combo guard. If we get a defensive big like Dalembert, I'm still intrigued with starting Sap at SF but if that doesn't pan out, his old role of coming off the bench would be OK too.

I actually proposed something like this in a thread a few weeks ago: https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php/1440-AK-for-Dalembert-Udrih?p=34834

If it's Udrih we'd get as throw-in, that's right, Price could be sent back to Sac to also offset a bit the financial hit a bit.

Typical PT for a standard 9-man rotation could go something like this:

Deron 36, Udrih 12
Bell 28, Miles 8, Udrih 12
Miles 20, Millsap 12, Hayward 16
Jefferson 24, Millsap 16, Okur 8
Dalembert 28, Jefferson 8, Okur 12

Deron 36, Bell 28, Miles 28, Jefferson 32, Dalembert 28
Udrih 24, Hayward 16, Millsap 28, Okur 20

Or, if Sap starts at 3:

Deron 36, Udrih 12
Miles 16, Bell 20, Udrih 12
Millsap 16, Miles 12, Hayward 16
Jefferson 24, Millsap 16, Okur 8
Dalembert 28, Jefferson 8, Okur 12

Deron 36, Miles 28, Millsap 32, Jefferson 32, Dalembert 28
Udrih 24, Bell 20, Hayward 16, Okur 20

The Jazz could go anywhere from big and tall with Deron-Miles-Sap-Jefferson-Dalembert to small-ball with Deron-Udrih-Miles-Sap-Jefferson. Different options against teams, this time also including the Lakers.
 
Good, except I think Okur is too slow afoot to ever amount to much at PF. Since Udrih actually was a #1 pick a few years ago, Sacramento might also want our #1 next year.
If Miles or Hayward can defend at both SG and SF, I would be real tempted; not sure the Jazz would though...
 
NotDeadYet said:
Good, except I think Okur is too slow afoot to ever amount to much at PF.
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True that, Okur’s slooow, so most times under this scenario he’d be a backup center. I just put some PT at PF there for him to reflect those stretches he’d be playing alongside Jefferson or a defensive C. In which case Okur would play as a rich man’s Matt Bonner while Jefferson or that C would be the de facto low-post center, but Okur would guard whoever’s the slower opposing big.

NotDeadYet said:
Since Udrih actually was a #1 pick a few years ago, Sacramento might also want our #1 next year.
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I don’t think Udrih or this scenario would warrant the Jazz having to give up a first rounder. And the Kings would already be getting a pretty good player in AK.

NotDeadYet said:
If Miles or Hayward can defend at both SG and SF, I would be real tempted; not sure the Jazz would though...
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Miles has the quickness to guard SGs. Hayward’s an SF so in most cases probably no (except vs SGs the likes of say Korver) and, as with most rookies he ever plays, Sloan would likely make Hayward learn from only one position his first year.
 
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