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Duck Rodgers
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I learned from watching a snippet of those speeches that Pat Riley went to Kentucky. Who knew? Not me. Figured Doc Jones would've mentioned it on here once or twice.....
Joe Bagadonuts
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Wut tweet?
candrew
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Riley was part of the disgraceful 66 KU team that changed college basketball forever.
They don't like much to talk about that over in them there parts.
We have talked about it here more than once or twice.
Riley never played for Kansas, dumbass.
Also, please tell me what you are calling disgraceful about Rupp's Runts.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Your convoluted statement seems to have some serious racist overtones because the most notable change in basketball in '66 was that Kentucky was defeated in the National Championship by a UTEP team with 5 black starters. Is this the disgrace and permanent change you're referring to? I sure hope not.
Allow me.
Candrew is referring to the first ever matchup of an all white starting lineup (UK) vs an all black starting line up (Texas Western).
I could write volumes on the topic. What media fails to mention is UK recruited a black player (which was valedictorian of his senior HS class) before 3/4 of the rest of the SEC ever did.
1966 was right when the civil rights movement came into full swing.
This should have never become a UK thing as much as a southern thing. Racism being real is undebatable, but the media making it as if UK was some holdout is crazy.
Here's a crazy fact. Guess who UK had to beat to make it to the Texas Western game? Duke.
Had Duke beaten UK, history would show Duke as the first all white starters vs Texas Western.
Again, I could write for days about this.
I would blame the time period for the rampant racism, I would blame UK boosters for demanding white players, fans that didn't really want blacks... It was bad. But it was bad all across the country and particularly the south.
What most people don't know is Rupp was a scapegoat. The true story is juicier. Rupp repeatedly asked to offer schollies to blacks before the '66 season. But boosters threatened to pull funds from the university if the athletic department allowed it... So Rupp was denied. So it's really more a story of a sad period in this country and not a story about one evil dude.
Candrew is referring to the first ever matchup of an all white starting lineup (UK) vs an all black starting line up (Texas Western).
I could write volumes on the topic. What media fails to mention is UK recruited a black player (which was valedictorian of his senior HS class) before 3/4 of the rest of the SEC ever did.
1966 was right when the civil rights movement came into full swing.
This should have never become a UK thing as much as a southern thing. Racism being real is undebatable, but the media making it as if UK was some holdout is crazy.
Here's a crazy fact. Guess who UK had to beat to make it to the Texas Western game? Duke.
Had Duke beaten UK, history would show Duke as the first all white starters vs Texas Western.
Again, I could write for days about this.
I would blame the time period for the rampant racism, I would blame UK boosters for demanding white players, fans that didn't really want blacks... It was bad. But it was bad all across the country and particularly the south.
What most people don't know is Rupp was a scapegoat. The true story is juicier. Rupp repeatedly asked to offer schollies to blacks before the '66 season. But boosters threatened to pull funds from the university if the athletic department allowed it... So Rupp was denied. So it's really more a story of a sad period in this country and not a story about one evil dude.
candrew
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Whoops, I get my fly-over states mixed up from time to time.
Racist by whom? ME? It's well known the SEC was segregated in 1966 - 2 years after The Civil Rights Act passed. Rupp in basketball and Bear Bryant in football had the political capital to end that in 5 minutes by recruiting ONE black player and they both choose not to. At least Bryant gave in after getting his *** kicked on national TV by USC. Rupp on the other hand was one of the last hold outs. I read somewhere that even ****ing Mississippi was playing black kids before Rupp.
Look, it is what it is - it was a different time and quite frankly, I really don't care. But the comment by Duck about Riley and UK made me chuckle; because he's right - it's not widely known. And that's the way Pat Riley likes it.
Joe Bagadonuts
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So you're saying that it's impossible to have an intelligent conversation with you? Got it.Whoops, I get my fly-over states mixed up from time to time.
Racist by whom? ME? It's well known the SEC was segregated in 1966 - 2 years after The Civil Rights Act passed. Rupp in basketball and Bear Bryant in football had the political capital to end that in 5 minutes by recruiting ONE black player and they both choose not to. At least Bryant gave in after getting his *** kicked on national TV by USC. Rupp on the other hand was one of the last hold outs. I read somewhere that even ****ing Mississippi was playing black kids before Rupp.
Look, it is what it is - it was a different time and quite frankly, I really don't care. But the comment by Duck about Riley and UK made me chuckle; because he's right - it's not widely known. And that's the way Pat Riley likes it.
candrew
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I've heard the same stories about Bear Bryant - of course the only problem with this is if this bothered them both so much they could have quit. In the mid-60's either one of them could have written their own ticket. Every school in the country would have been more than willing to hand their programs over to them. But that never happened.
candrew
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With you, personally? Yes.
How do you square that against UK being the 4th SEC school to have blacks join their teams? Why is it that UK is mentioned as the racists when they integrated before dozens of other schools around the country?
Answer is: because the media shovels it and we always buy it.
Whoops, I get my fly-over states mixed up from time to time.
Racist by whom? ME? It's well known the SEC was segregated in 1966 - 2 years after The Civil Rights Act passed. Rupp in basketball and Bear Bryant in football had the political capital to end that in 5 minutes by recruiting ONE black player and they both choose not to. At least Bryant gave in after getting his *** kicked on national TV by USC. Rupp on the other hand was one of the last hold outs. I read somewhere that even ****ing Mississippi was playing black kids before Rupp.
Look, it is what it is - it was a different time and quite frankly, I really don't care. But the comment by Duck about Riley and UK made me chuckle; because he's right - it's not widely known. And that's the way Pat Riley likes it.
He likes it that was so much that he spoke about it last night as a guest speaker at the nationally televised Hall Of Fame?
Lmao
Not sure he will get enough minutes barring injuries to others.