reignman40
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You all look as this as one sided. Pull your heads out. The things those women have said are just as gross and unacceptable.
I certainly disagree with some of the things they've said. I don’t remember it being discussed at length her. Such as Oman’s Jews tweets.
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Just watching the man speak, even with the sound muted so you cant tell what is being said, you can just tell he is a butthole and probably saying something to hurt, demean, insult etc. how can anyone who isnt a butthole like this *************?
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Joe Bagadonuts
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It's quite funny, but sad. This is the sort of thing the Republicans were saying during the Clinton era. Now that the Republicans have their own creep in office they don't care about these sorts of standards either. And if the Dems happen to find a winning candidate whose behavior is poor and whose closets are full of skeletons I'm not going to be one bit surprised when they are once again willing to justify looking the other way. I expect them to do so while lecturing the country that this sort of stuff doesn't matter, exactly like they did last time.
The sad truth is that if you want your policies enacted you are almost certainly going to have to live with some things that you aren't crazy about, especially because only a sick narcissist is ever likely to make it to the presidency. The system practically ensures that the good people find better ways to serve than by going through what is probably the worst job interview process in the history of the world.
Joe Bagadonuts
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LOL. GF was defending the actions of the Clintons as recently as 2016. It should be obvious to anyone that Bill Clinton's behavior was boorish. Those who aligned with his political ideologies simply did not care.
I wanted him to resign after he lied to the American people.
Preferring Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump, and making arguments in her favor in the context of the Presidential campaign does not mean I support "the Clintons" wholesale. Going into the 2016 campaign I very much wanted other options. But when it came down to Hillary or Trump I made the correct decision and picked Hillary. There's no way I would ever apologize for that, or for trying to convince as many other people as possible to make the same decision.
I know Joe isn't a fan of complicated, nuanced arguments, so to him I said positive things about Hillary once, so I am her unquestioning faithful servant in all things, and apparently that also applies to Bill Clinton, a person I voted against in Clinton vs Dole. I voted against Clinton because I believed he disqualified himself to be my President by directly answering a question with a lie, a lie to the people he governed. I was a teenager at the time and my opinion then is the same as it is now, if you look into that camera and make a direct statement to the American people, and you're lying, specifically lying to cover up your own misdeeds, I don't consider you an acceptable person to be my President.
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GF has had many many posts bashing bill clinton. Never once has he said he was ok with Bill or liked bill or thought he was a good president. He pretty much hates bill clinton. You kinda swung and missed big time on this one.
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Red
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A moment in the Post Truth era. To paraphrase Timothy Snyder, here Trump's "truth" is oracular, not factual, evidence is now irrelevant. Truth is what he says it is.....
Meanwhile...
Oh good a little diversion from the point. I was so bored focusing on the actual subject.
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Joe Bagadonuts
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Really? I distinctly remember you saying that it didn't matter that Hillary Clinton disparaged and intimidated multiple women who made credible accusations against Bill. You said that Bill's sex life was a private and irrelevant matter. When a true hero of the left (not that embarassment to everyone Al Franken) finds themselves in real trouble as a result of past decisions I have no doubt that a large percentage of these people who are currently claiming that they hold the moral high ground will find some loophole that they will claim allows them to make an exception in order to support a politician that they believe they can't afford to lose. I've seen it happen too many times to count at this point. I'm certain I will see it happen many more times in the future.