Trump bars people from 7 countries entering the US

[jimmy eat jazz]

The man started a religion that did not allow people of a different color to be involved in leadership, and he's not racist?

Lol k

Joseph Smith did not institute the priesthood ban on blacks. Brigham Young did. Then for dozens of decades, the LDS Church pretended that BY's good old fashioned 19th century racism was somehow divinely inspired doctrine, which fit well within LDS and national culture through 1970s, which was also racist, but no longer divinely inspired once progressing secular culture once again demonstrated God's word to be sadly out of date.

I've seen nothing in my experience to suggest that LDS culture is inherently racist. Homophobic yes, racist no. With that said, there are pockets of LDS believers who aren't too fond of the darker hued folk, which I presume to be disproportionately concentrated among the older generation, less educated and rural.

 

[Hotdog]

Despite you trying to label me I've never been this liberal you want me to be, sorry. Glad you busted me on something you very clearly don't understand. Yes, I think a stereotype of Mormons is that they are racist and a lot of them fit into that, especially older ones. I don't think they all are racist nor (here is the big kicker and difference between you and i) do I think they should be discriminated against. I don't like all religions, I think they are harmful and I would not want my kids involved with them if i had any. But they should be allowed to exist and practice and be in our country. I know your trying to find people like you that discriminate against groups, but your are on your own on this one. I don't think an entire religion should be banned like you do or mistreated. You don't need to like every religion. I need to work on ignoring you. You only like to irritate people but when faced with facts or real issues and arguments you disappear and never return to that discussion.

There is a big difference between discriminating against people and a book. If someone chooses to follow a book that calls for you to do horrible things. Then that book and the people who follow it are dangerous people. Its doesn't matter what your skin color is or where you are from. Its all about that book. Get rid of the book and denounce it, then you are welcome.

You choose to discriminate against people. You said so yourself. I have made it clear its not about people. Its about a book. You refuse accept that.

 

[Hotdog]

Despite you trying to label me I've never been this liberal you want me to be, sorry. Glad you busted me on something you very clearly don't understand. Yes, I think a stereotype of Mormons is that they are racist and a lot of them fit into that, especially older ones. I don't think they all are racist nor (here is the big kicker and difference between you and i) do I think they should be discriminated against. I don't like all religions, I think they are harmful and I would not want my kids involved with them if i had any. But they should be allowed to exist and practice and be in our country. I know your trying to find people like you that discriminate against groups, but your are on your own on this one. I don't think an entire religion should be banned like you do or mistreated. You don't need to like every religion. I need to work on ignoring you. You only like to irritate people but when faced with facts or real issues and arguments you disappear and never return to that discussion.

I think all Donald Trump and other concerned Americans want is to make sure that the people aren't part of a dangerous cult that believes in chopping of heads and hands. Oppressing woman and gays, rape,and may other awful things.


Is that really too much to ask?

 

[Ron Mexico]

There is a big difference between discriminating against people and a book. If someone chooses to follow a book that calls for you to do horrible things. Then that book and the people who follow it are dangerous people. Its doesn't matter what your skin color is or where you are from. Its all about that book. Get rid of the book and denounce it, then you are welcome.

You choose to discriminate against people. You said so yourself. I have made it clear its not about people. Its about a book. You refuse accept that.

Discriminating against people who choose to follow a religion is different than discriminating against someone because of their race or sex or other things they can't change. Also I don't think people should be discriminated against for their religion of it doesn't hurt people. I don't want to ban Mormons from any where, I don't want to not allow them to practice, I don't want them to not have the same rights as a citizen as I do. That is a big difference. I have many friends here in Utah that are Mormon that I hang it with. I don't like their religion but I like them. Just like I don't like many things do or believe in but I still like them.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

I think all Donald Trump and other concerned Americans want is to make sure that the people aren't part of a dangerous cult that believes in chopping of heads and hands. Oppressing woman and gays, rape,and may other awful things.


Is that really too much to ask?

You do realize that lots of Christian offshoot sects also believe in dangerous things. Should we, then, bar Christians from entering the country based on gross negative generalizations about them too?

You do realize that there is a great deal of diversity in Islam in terms of what people believe and how they act on those beliefs, don't you? You speak as if its a monolithic group, which it is not. He's pandering to all the folks who imagine scary, brown skinned things that go bump in the night.

Trump is just feeding the dog after whistling at it for months during the campaign.

 

[LogGrad98]

I'm a Mormon and I'm not prejudiced. I hate everyone equally.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I think all Donald Trump and other concerned Americans want is to make sure that the people aren't part of a dangerous cult that believes in chopping of heads and hands. Oppressing woman and gays, rape,and may other awful things.


Is that really too much to ask?

Yes, when there is no proof of that or danger of that in our country. It is a witch hunt. How many people have been killed by people from the countries Trump attempted to ban in this county? 0. More white christian males rape women and oppress them in this country than any other group even per capita. Provo, Ut has a very high rate of sexual abuse. Sexual abuse among LDS communities is higher than average for the US.

Here are some stats about Utah in general

One in three Utah women will experience some form of sexual violence during their lives. (3)
In 2011, the costs of sexual violence totaled nearly $5 billion, almost $1,700 per Utah resident. (8)
A total of 895 rapes were reported to Utah police agencies in 2013. (7)
Utah's rate of rape has been significantly higher than the U.S. rate since 2000. (2)
In 2014, Utah's reported rape rate was significantly higher than the U.S. rate (67.7 and 51.9 per 100,000 females). (2)
The majority of rapes (88.2%) are not reported to law enforcement.

https://www.health.utah.gov/vipp/topics/rape-sexual-assault/

 

[Ron Mexico]

There is a big difference between discriminating against people and a book. If someone chooses to follow a book that calls for you to do horrible things. Then that book and the people who follow it are dangerous people. Its doesn't matter what your skin color is or where you are from. Its all about that book. Get rid of the book and denounce it, then you are welcome.

Have you read the Koran? Have you read the Bible? Both books are generally positive and preach what most believe to be good things. Both have some terrible stuff that has justified terrible people to do terrible things through out history. Most Christians and Muslims in this country are good law abiding citizens. A few extreme people who claim to be apart of those religions do not represent their religion. I can give you lots of examples of Christians doing awful things, that does not mean they are all bad and we should ban all of them.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Racism has different dimensions. There's the negative stereotpying dimension, there's the hate dimension, and there is inevitably the power dimension. Socially, racism ultimately manifests itself in terms of one group seeking to gain power over another to dominate/oppress them. Thus while whites, as a group, may well be victims of negative stereotyping or hate, they have not, nor are they likely to be, dominated or oppressed as a group by blacks, a least not in the US.

To hear/see white people cry about reverse racism is pathetic, as it always is when the powerful whine and complain.

lol classic lefty hoshwag.

its like saying you cannot be racist against white because of white privilege. hahahahaha

 

[JAZZGASM]

I'm a Mormon and I'm not prejudiced. I hate everyone equally.

I am more or less the same, but I definitely hate some people more than others. I just don't base hate on race, color, or creed, I base my hate based on social class, which is still legal to do.


Oh, and I hate Gargamel.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

lol classic lefty hoshwag.

its like saying you cannot be racist against white because of white privilege. hahahahaha

Did you actually read my post? Let's review:

1. Racism has different dimenions, including (1) negative stereotypes, (2) hatred, (3) domination/oppression.
2. Whites are victims of (1) and (2) but not (3)

So, whites can be vicitims of racism--that is some elements of it--but not the primary, most destructive way it manifests itself in society. If you want to make the case that blacks have been systematically oppressing whites, I'd love to hear it.

If you want to debate, get an f'n clue and turn off your knee jerk, brain dead response function.

 

[NAOS]

Did you actually read my post? Let's review:

1. Racism has different dimenions, including (1) negative stereotypes, (2) hatred, (3) domination/oppression.
2. Whites are victims of (1) and (2) but not (3)

So, whites can be vicitims of racism--that is some elements of it--but not the primary, most destructive way it manifests itself in society. If you want to make the case that blacks have been systematically oppressing whites, I'd love to hear it.

If you want to debate, get an f'n clue and turn off your knee jerk, brain dead response function.

worthwhile post, bro... but that is a troll you're engaged with.