Trump bars people from 7 countries entering the US

[Ron Mexico]

That is interesting and my purposes is not to discount your statistics (they are not really statistics). In the sake of honesty an clarity, there are several cultural characteristics that coincide with increased an suppressed rape reportings.

Normally I would not bother pointing this out but you seem to harbour some deep seeded I'll-will an hate toward Mormons. You try to mask it by coming across as the not racist guy cause he has a black friend, but your tracks have left a discernible record in the mud.

Is there a reason you feel so strongly about calling out Mormons so often?

It is not the same and is a bad comparison. I have stated I do not like the LDS/Mormon religion. I dont know that I dislike it more than a lot of other religions, especially very devote religions who believe they are right and others are wrong. I think most major religions are a negative impact on the world and on a lot of individuals within them and around them. I think the LDS along with other religions have some positive impact as well. I have seen the negative impact the LDS church has had on lots and lots of people personally. I also see most religions as being somewhat brainwashing. Since it is hammered into kids minds and very little choice is given when you are raised in a religion. That is why most stay the same religion they were raised in yet most people think their religion is right and the others are partially wrong or completely wrong. Almost every person who believes their religion is right and the other is wrong have the same story of how they know it is true, even on subjects that are very opposite in belief.

Being black is not a choice being a certain religion is a choice. A better comparison for this is things my friends or other people choose for themselves. Many of my friends and people smoke. I think it is a bad life choice and I dont like being around smoke. If it were up to me I would prefer no one smoke. I dont want to ban it. I am still friends with people who smoke despite the fact I do not like it. I have smoked before and every now and then ill smoke a cigar. I understand why people smoke, I know there are some benefits to smoking. I still think its bad for people. I dont mind if people smoke if they dont force me to be around it, and if they arent trying to force me to smoke or bugging me about it all the time. People have the freedom to smoke but I also have the freedom to think its bad for you. I dont bug my smoking friends to not smoke. I could go on for awhile with the comparison or any other choice people make that I dont like but am still friends with them.

 

[lauriandres]

Racism has different dimensions. There's the negative stereotpying dimension, there's the hate dimension, and there is inevitably the power dimension. Socially, racism ultimately manifests itself in terms of one group seeking to gain power over another to dominate/oppress them. Thus while whites, as a group, may well be victims of negative stereotyping or hate, they have not, nor are they likely to be, dominated or oppressed as a group by blacks, a least not in the US.

To hear/see white people cry about reverse racism is pathetic, as it always is when the powerful whine and complain.

If blacks are not racist against whites, then why is it so, that it is perfectly safe for white american war veterans (and also other tourists) to walk in Hiroshima or Nagasaki without problems even during the middle of the night, but when Peter Gabriel and Paul Simon go to Soweto (alone, without journalist, bodyguards etc), it is not so sure they survive the trip? I hope you are not saying that blacks in South Africa have suffered more compared to people in Hiroshima or Nagasaki and therefore have more rights to counterattack?
Or do i have some misinformation about Paul Simon? I.e he has not done anything good for African people?

Disclaimer: i have not been in Soweto. The most slum like place where i have been is Pahar Ganj in Delhi. Which, IMHO, is safe place in general. I have been in Japan 2x times.

 

[Boris]

It is not the same and is a bad comparison. I have stated I do not like the LDS/Mormon religion. I dont know that I dislike it more than a lot of other religions, especially very devote religions who believe they are right and others are wrong. I think most major religions are a negative impact on the world and on a lot of individuals within them and around them. I think the LDS along with other religions have some positive impact as well. I have seen the negative impact the LDS church has had on lots and lots of people personally. I also see most religions as being somewhat brainwashing. Since it is hammered into kids minds and very little choice is given when you are raised in a religion. That is why most stay the same religion they were raised in yet most people think their religion is right and the others are partially wrong or completely wrong. Almost every person who believes their religion is right and the other is wrong have the same story of how they know it is true, even on subjects that are very opposite in belief.

Being black is not a choice being a certain religion is a choice. A better comparison for this is things my friends or other people choose for themselves. Many of my friends and people smoke. I think it is a bad life choice and I dont like being around smoke. If it were up to me I would prefer no one smoke. I dont want to ban it. I am still friends with people who smoke despite the fact I do not like it. I have smoked before and every now and then ill smoke a cigar. I understand why people smoke, I know there are some benefits to smoking. I still think its bad for people. I dont mind if people smoke if they dont force me to be around it, and if they arent trying to force me to smoke or bugging me about it all the time. People have the freedom to smoke but I also have the freedom to think its bad for you. I dont bug my smoking friends to not smoke. I could go on for awhile with the comparison or any other choice people make that I dont like but am still friends with them.

That's interesting. This world is a product of religious enlightenment. Schools, universities, hospitals, freedom, equality, adoption/foster/homeless shelters, al produced originally by religion.

I do not get this net negative attitude toward religion that has created the environment that allows you so many comforts an opportunity to express your discontent. Do not throw the baby out with the bath water.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Recent survey from Chatham House polled 10 European countries, 10,000 people total on if they wanted to keep on going with immigration from Muslim countries. Keep in mind, these countries have already taken immigrants in, and I believe most people were in favor of it.

Results? Across the board, 55% said no more, 25% neither agreed or disagreed, and 20% disagreed. That ranges from 71% in Poland to 41% in Spain. In no country did the percentage that disagreed surpass 32%. And it wasn't just old people...44% of millennials said no more.

So, should we learn from the people that are currently experiencing this mass migration? I struggle, because I think it's wrong to turn people away. Interesting survey though.

 

[Stoked]

This giant mass influx of immigrants from wildly different cultures only creates strife and tensions.

Now I am not anti-immigrant. Immigration is a wonderful thing. America is a country of immigrants. We should keep that, but we need to do a much better job of integrating those immigrants into our society.

Edit: One piece of that puzzle is tackling the language barriers. English classes/lessons for immigrants and better multi language teaching in American schools.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

I wonder if Muslims feel the same way about their children. (Strong preference that they marry/date other muslims)

I would imagine that is the case. I imagine further that this is true for most 'dogmatic' religions.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Recent survey from Chatham House polled 10 European countries, 10,000 people total on if they wanted to keep on going with immigration from Muslim countries. Keep in mind, these countries have already taken immigrants in, and I believe most people were in favor of it.

Results? Across the board, 55% said no more, 25% neither agreed or disagreed, and 20% disagreed. That ranges from 71% in Poland to 41% in Spain. In no country did the percentage that disagreed surpass 32%. And it wasn't just old people...44% of millennials said no more.

So, should we learn from the people that are currently experiencing this mass migration? I struggle, because I think it's wrong to turn people away. Interesting survey though.

I think there is some legitimate concern about how immigration of large numbers of people with very different culture and mores affects societal development. Not enough legitimate concern, however, to bar these people from immigrating. I think that to date the American experience is that withing a least a generation or two, immigrants become pretty culturally assimilated.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

For me personally in regards to this discussion... I'm agnostic so I don't care what religion my daughter dates/marries.

I also don't care if she dates/marries a Lakers fan, rockets fan, utes fan, etc.

I don't care if she dates/marries a black, asian, hispanic, white person etc etc.

I don't care if she dates/marries a guy or a girl.

Don't care if they are rich or poor.

All I care about is if they are nice and if they treat her good. That's kind of how I judge people in general. If you are nice then I dont care if you are smart or dumb, rich or poor, what race, religion, political affiliation, ugly, attractive, etc etc..... if you are a nice person then it's almost a certainty that i will like you.

Well put. Same goes for son as well. Marrying a Lakers fan, however, would really, really test this concept for me, though.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

If blacks are not racist against whites, then why is it so, that it is perfectly safe for white american war veterans (and also other tourists) to walk in Hiroshima or Nagasaki without problems even during the middle of the night, but when Peter Gabriel and Paul Simon go to Soweto (alone, without journalist, bodyguards etc), it is not so sure they survive the trip? I hope you are not saying that blacks in South Africa have suffered more compared to people in Hiroshima or Nagasaki and therefore have more rights to counterattack?
Or do i have some misinformation about Paul Simon? I.e he has not done anything good for African people?

Disclaimer: i have not been in Soweto. The most slum like place where i have been is Pahar Ganj in Delhi. Which, IMHO, is safe place in general. I have been in Japan 2x times.

I have been to Soweto, not that it matters all that much. There is not a simplistic answer for this; certainly, poverty and years of oppression factor in, but there are probably other things. Your analogy to Hiroshima doesn't work; people in Hiroshima were not victims over decades of highly repressive, brutal minority rule. Yep, Johannesburg is a violent and dangerous place, but so are many others. I've worked in San Pedro Sula, Honduras, which has the highest murder rate in the world. The same race dynamics are not at work there, but it is a very dangerous, violent place. I would not feel safe walking around there. Is that because Honderenos are biased against whites?

I understand what you're trying to say, but you've latched onto a very, very simplistic way of thinking about a complex problem.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

redeinfig racism from "prejudice against a person or group because of their race" to "prejudice with power"
is stupid or only racist people want, because then they can justify their RACISM! while being in position to asert that all other forms of racism is wrong.


only thier brand of racism has validity. that is incredibly FASCIST! and show the evil of the left.


and go ahead keep negging me for having a different opinion.
or stating the truth in the global warming thread

I suppose it would be disturbing if someone with your limited intellect agreed with anything I said.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I suppose it would be disturbing if someone with your limited intellect agreed with anything I said.

yet my intelect is enough to see that what racism really is.

and only racist want to change the definition of racism, so some people can remain racist while others cannot

 

[Stoked]

I would imagine that is the case. I imagine further that this is true for most 'dogmatic' religions.

It's a common feeling among Mormons. From my personal experience at least.