Trump Dictatorship and All Things Politics

[Deleted member 365]

I have said it before and I will say it again. I think that we will get through the next 4 years ok. My prediction for trumps second term is something like this:

Economy: The worst is behind us. The economy is doing fine and is already on the upswing. trump is once again inheriting a good economic situation and as long as he doesn't try to do too much he wont screw it up. Presidents dont control prices or wages. Economy would have been fine with Harris as well.

Immigration: I think trump will be rather successful with slowing immigration at the border and I approve of that. This is where I actually prefer trump to Harris. I think he will be extremely unsuccessful at the whole mass deportation thing. This is a good thing imo as well. I think that was mostly all talk and its way too complicated and expensive to pull off. Have to catch the undocumented (illegal) immigrants. Then have to have facilities to detain them and hold them in. Then have to process them through the system. Then have to arrange for the former country to accept them back into. Very very very expensive, time consuming and complicated and the end result simply means too many job vacancies and a big blow to our economy. I think that about all that will get accomplished in this regard is that illegal immigrants who commit crimes while here will get deported but the ones who simply go to work and raise their families like the rest of us will be left alone. I think this is a good thing.

Wars: I think he might get a deal done between russia and ukraine to end the war. It will certainly be very favorable to russia and horrible for ukraine but ukraine may have no choice but to take the deal. (this could be a net good thing for the world even if it isn't right) I think he will do nothing helpful in the israel war and maybe make it worse.

Woke stuff: I think he will do very little in this regard. Gays will still be able to get married. Interracial marriages will still happen. Trans people will continue to exist. people will still identify as whatever. These groups will likely have more anxiety and feel less safe and suffer more abuse online and whatnot than before which sucks but nothing policy or law wise will happen in this regard.

I think the main thing that will suck is the same thing that sucked last time. He will be very embarrassing and inflammatory. He will act classless, divisive, idiotic. He will be all over every piece of media on every platform at all times. He will use horrible rhetoric very often. He will make us even more divided. Social unrest will spike. He will be very bad for the mental health of the country. He will be annoying and hyperbolic and corrupt. He will likely set the next president up poorly. He will likely weaken our alliances with our allies. He will likely use the DOJ to go after those who were critical of him.

But the country will survive and recover. Im a big time glass half full optimist in general though so take it with a grain of salt.

Has the country recovered from his last presidency? I drove past this field on Timpanogues highway today that had a bunch of “Let's Go Brandon” and “I could **** a better president” and “Trump 2024” flags. I think there are a lot of broken people who have remained broken.

Hell, his AG Pam Bondi, has said in the past that she’s going to prosecute those who have investigated and prosecuted Trump. This type of rhetoric would’ve ended anyone’s chances of being AG pre 2016. Hell, even pre 2020. We’ve become a harder and meaner society with Trump. A society that accepts what was recently the most unacceptable (like electing the guy who wants to pardon the Jan 6 insurrectionists).

 

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Has the country recovered from his last presidency? I drove past this field on Timpanogues highway today that had a bunch of “Let's Go Brandon” and “I could **** a better president” and “Trump 2024” flags. I think there are a lot of broken people who have remained broken.

Hell, his AG Pam Bondi, has said in the past that she’s going to prosecute those who have investigated and prosecuted Trump. This type of rhetoric would’ve ended anyone’s chances of being AG pre 2016. Hell, even pre 2020. We’ve become a harder and meaner society with Trump. A society that accepts what was recently the most unacceptable (like electing the guy who wants to pardon the Jan 6 insurrectionists).

It’s been said often that any Trump accusation is also, if not only, a confession. We all know by now, if we’re honest, that Trump tried to prevent a peaceful transfer of power in 2020-21. Based on a reversal of the truth: Biden and the Democrats stole the election from Trump. His accusation was actually a description of what he himself attempted: stealing an election that he lost.

Is accusing the Dept. of Justice any different in kind? I The Justice Dept., and the American people who believe a president must be held to account for attempting to steal an election, are guilty of “weaponizing the Justice Department”. Yet, is it not obvious that 1) attempting to hold a president accountable is something the people should be proud of, it shows they care about our values. It is not weaponizing justice. It is seeking to hold a president to account, to demonstrate that, in our system, it’s a nation of laws, and a president is not above our laws.

And 2). Is it not also obvious that the effort to appoint Gaetz was to further weaponization of the Justice department, in the interest of Donald Trump, who told his followers that “I will be your retribution?”. Once again, as in almost every time over the past 10 years of the Trump era, Trump’s accusation is really a confession. Of what his intentions are. He will continue to weaponize Justice, in order to justify his Big Lie, in order to reinforce his fake alternative history of recent American history.

To those with clear eyes to see, and ears to hear, what I’m describing could not be any clearer, any more true. His M.O. has always been to simply “talk his reality into existence”. That was, and is, his genius. He knew human nature was always on his side. He knew Dunning-Kruger was endemic in the American population, a flaw which has been primed by conspiracism, as almost a new default thinking mode, among the American public. Rendering them easy converts. To the point a majority of Trump voters supported his concocted fake narrative.

The people spoke, they wanted Trump. That does not erase the fact that we can see things clearer if we open our eyes.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Just want to continue pointing out that "far left" in the U.S. is right of center in the rest of the western world.

That statement is very debatable if not outright dubious.

Opinion | What Happened to America’s Political Center of Gravity? (Published 2019)

The Republican Party is farther right than U.K.I.P. and France’s National Rally, according to an analysis of their platforms.

www.nytimes.com

I don't think these people, myself included, are moving left, it's the goal posts that are moving right.

Based on what?

The problem with block lists and curated social media feeds is they remove context. I am not saying that is you, but I'm speaking broadly. Someone who had created a bubble isn't moving relative to the inside of his or her bubble. That isn't the same a proof they aren't moving relative to the world.

I freely admit this unmooring from context applies to people everywhere on the political spectrum, but some of the more destructive reactions have been on the left. There was a man in Minnesota who killed his family and himself to protect them from Trump.

Police: Duluth man suspected of killing family, himself got gun permit in September

Anthony Nephew got the gun despite a violent incident two months earlier. He told officers that voices had been telling him President-elect Donald Trump was going to take control and he needed to kill his family to protect them.

www.startribune.com

We may not have people quite to that level here on JF, but we have two threads devoted to how Trump is a dictator. Thriller thinks Trump is going to ship billions of dollars of arms to Russia so they can finish Ukraine. More than one user has alluded to a belief that Trump was going to make being gay illegal. Because these people have constructed bubbles, those thoughts sound sane to them as everyone they can hear agrees with them.

 

[Sardines]

That statement is very debatable if not outright dubious.
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Opinion | What Happened to America’s Political Center of Gravity? (Published 2019)

The Republican Party is farther right than U.K.I.P. and France’s National Rally, according to an analysis of their platforms.

www.nytimes.com

Based on what?

The problem with block lists and curated social media feeds is they remove context. I am not saying that is you, but I'm speaking broadly. Someone who had created a bubble isn't moving relative to the inside of his or her bubble. That isn't the same a proof they aren't moving relative to the world.

I freely admit this unmooring from context applies to people everywhere on the political spectrum, but some of the more destructive reactions have been on the left. There was a man in Minnesota who killed his family and himself to protect them from Trump.

Police: Duluth man suspected of killing family, himself got gun permit in September

Anthony Nephew got the gun despite a violent incident two months earlier. He told officers that voices had been telling him President-elect Donald Trump was going to take control and he needed to kill his family to protect them.

www.startribune.com

We may not have people quite to that level here on JF, but we have two threads devoted to how Trump is a dictator. Thriller thinks Trump is going to ship billions of dollars of arms to Russia so they can finish Ukraine. More than one user has alluded to a belief that Trump was going to make being gay illegal. Because these people have constructed bubbles, those thoughts sound sane to them as everyone they can hear agrees with them.

Okay let me rephrase. Stupid *** MAGA idiots call everything that isn't what they believe "far left," "extremely liberal," "socialist," "anti-American," "Unpatriotic." It isn't true. Log is not a flaming liberal. Kamala Harris was not an extremist. That's just stupid **** that stupid people believe.

 

[Sardines]

Okay let me rephrase. Stupid *** MAGA idiots call everything that isn't what they believe "far left," "extremely liberal," "socialist," "anti-American," "Unpatriotic." It isn't true. Log is not a flaming liberal. Kamala Harris was not an extremist. That's just stupid **** that stupid people believe.

Just want to add to what I said above. When someone points out that MAGA is the overwhelmingly preferred political movement for actual out in the open racists and racist groups, MAGA bros cry that people are always calling them racist. That the reason they continue to support Trump is because someone somewhere called them a racist, so obviously they run to the same comfort blanket safe space as the actual racists do... MAGA.

You know what I'm tired of? MAGA telling me I'm not a patriotic, constitution loving, land of the free supporting American. MAGA doesn't own patriotism. You can't gate keep my love for the U.S.! And you're not going to gaslight me into believing that I don't stand for the very same ideals that this nation was founded upon.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Just want to add to what I said above. When someone points out that MAGA is the overwhelmingly preferred political movement for actual out in the open racists and racist groups, MAGA bros cry that people are always calling them racist. That the reason they continue to support Trump is because someone somewhere called them a racist, so obviously they run to the same comfort blanket safe space as the actual racists do... MAGA.

You know what I'm tired of? MAGA telling me I'm not a patriotic, constitution loving, land of the free supporting American. MAGA doesn't own patriotism. You can't gate keep my love for the U.S.! And you're not going to gaslight me into believing that I don't stand for the very same ideals that this nation was founded upon.

You’re arguing with one of the biggest trolls on this board.

 

[Sardines]

You’re arguing with one of the biggest trolls on this board.

That post is not directed towards anyone in particular. I know who AIO is.

 

[Bucknutz]

Okay let me rephrase. Stupid *** MAGA idiots call everything that isn't what they believe "far left," "extremely liberal," "socialist," "anti-American," "Unpatriotic." It isn't true. Log is not a flaming liberal. Kamala Harris was not an extremist. That's just stupid **** that stupid people believe.

Honest questions here:

Do you think expanding the Supreme Court is an extreme view or do you agree with it?

Do you think deporting all illegals in America as an extreme view or do you agree with it?

Do you think getting rid of the filibuster is an extreme view or do you agree with it?

Do you think pardoning J6 prisoners is an extreme view or do you agree with it?

Do you think getting rid of the electoral college is an extreme view or do you agree with it?

Do you think having a federal overwatch on speech is an extreme view or do you agree with it?

Do you think a mandatory gun buyback is an extreme view or do you agree with it?

Do you think getting rid of Federal Departments is an extreme view or do you agree with it?

Do you think replacing the income tax with tariffs an extreme view or do you agree with it?


I can say I don’t agree with any of that (I don’t know about the tariffs Enough) and think it’s extreme views on both sides.

I would rather take what we have now and add Doge and clean Government up completely. Make it more transparent.

Also being a far left extremest is not a bad thing, you might take it that way, but maybe extreme bold moves is the correct action to take. But at the same time the Far Right has extreme views and they think those extreme bold ideas are the best actions to take.

The is a lot of separation between the 3 and that’s completely fine.

But saying what MAGA says is untrue is the same way MAGA feels when the left say the same thing to them. When both sides are extreme.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

You know what I'm tired of? MAGA telling me I'm not a patriotic, constitution loving, land of the free supporting American. MAGA doesn't own patriotism. You can't gate keep my love for the U.S.! And you're not going to gaslight me into believing that I don't stand for the very same ideals that this nation was founded upon.

Who are you referring to? And I don’t mean ‘point to a vaguely defined group of people’. Show me specific comments from specific people directed at you that make the claims you cite and I’ll stand shoulder-to-shoulder with you to denounce it.

There are those who think Kamala Harris was an extremist. In 2019 she made some comments that came across that way and those old comments haunted her in this past election, but I know I’ve never said Kamala was extremist. I think she’s not a good candidate for a range of reasons but we can disagree on that.

As for LogGrad, I don’t see him as a “flaming liberal”, whatever that means. I see LogGrad as someone who is in physical pain and consuming Percocet at a rate that has put him on the radar of programs created to head off abuse of opioids. That pain, which I don’t doubt is real, has reduced his personal tolerance for being challenged. As LogGrad’s condition persists, his world is contracting and drifting toward nihilism.

Well it seems the state of Utah has a percocet shortage. I am stuck in St George waiting for my mom to have surgery on her hip and pelvis and taking care of my dad in the meantime and my percocet has run dry. I am trying to get a prescription sent up here by my doctor, but every pharmacy in the area is completely out and reportedly has been for some time. No idea when they might get more. I might have to drive to Vegas to get the prescription filled. Of course this happened because I tried to get the prescription filled 5 days early to avoid this exact scenario, and of course was shot down as the horrifying drug addict I apparently am.

Our government is so ****ing bass ackward about all this, and they have no ****ing clue how to deal with these issues besides politicizing the everloving **** out of it until any policies they have don't do anything to address problems real people have, but sure do stick it to the dems or the repubs so they can pwn each other. Because of course the legislators have no problem getting their drugs, as theirs are provided by lobbyists for free anyway.

On better days, it is only Trump, Musk, and those he sees as “the Oligarchs” that he wants to see dead.

Time to completely wipe out the oligarchy and start new. Send them all to hell and let someone else step into the role.

On worse days, he wants to see everyone dead, and I do mean everyone.

Wipe out all humans ... zero intrinsic value ... we are a virus on the planet. Consuming and destroying everything we touch.

I don't see that as drifting leftward, but that is just me.

 

[gandalfe]

Honest questions here:

Do you think expanding the Supreme Court is an extreme view or do you agree with it?

Do you think deporting all illegals in America as an extreme view or do you agree with it?

Do you think getting rid of the filibuster is an extreme view or do you agree with it?

Do you think pardoning J6 prisoners is an extreme view or do you agree with it?

Do you think getting rid of the electoral college is an extreme view or do you agree with it?

Do you think having a federal overwatch on speech is an extreme view or do you agree with it?

Do you think a mandatory gun buyback is an extreme view or do you agree with it?

Do you think getting rid of Federal Departments is an extreme view or do you agree with it?

Do you think replacing the income tax with tariffs an extreme view or do you agree with it?


I can say I don’t agree with any of that (I don’t know about the tariffs Enough) and think it’s extreme views on both sides.

I would rather take what we have now and add Doge and clean Government up completely. Make it more transparent.

Also being a far left extremest is not a bad thing, you might take it that way, but maybe extreme bold moves is the correct action to take. But at the same time the Far Right has extreme views and they think those extreme bold ideas are the best actions to take.

The is a lot of separation between the 3 and that’s completely fine.

But saying what MAGA says is untrue is the same way MAGA feels when the left say the same thing to them. When both sides are more extreme.

Interesting binary there. Why are things either extreme or you agree with them? Could it be an extreme view AND you agree with it? But it be a not-extreme view but you don't agree with it?

It would be easy to say that it is exactly this kind of thinking (on both sides, to be clear, altho I personally think there is more justification for it coming from the left) that got us into this mess. I haven't considered enough if I would agree with that or not, but it wouldn't be an extreme view.

 

[Bucknutz]

Interesting binary there. Why are things either extreme or you agree with them? Could it be an extreme view AND you agree with it? But it be a not-extreme view but you don't agree with it?

It would be easy to say that it is exactly this kind of thinking (on both sides, to be clear, altho I personally think there is more justification for it coming from the left) that got us into this mess. I haven't considered enough if I would agree with that or not, but it wouldn't be an extreme view.

What would you consider an extreme view? I see it as something that doesn’t swing too far away from the center.

For example, why would you want to expand the Supreme Court? Most people on the left say the Supreme Court is compromised by corruption on the right. Yet there is nothing to prove they did anything wrong or maybe even falsely accused. But that’s the grounds to expand? No, you and I both know it’s ideologically leans right and they don’t like it because of its rulings. You don’t hear these same posters say let’s expand the courts now…why, Trump gets to expand it with his picks and the Senate would push them right through.

It’s extreme because they are only wanting to do it to benefit their party and not the good of the country. It’s a selfish idea.

You take rounding up the illegals here and deporting them. I think that it is an extremist view. A more central view to this is deport the people causing issues. These people being a lot of value to country and it makes no sense deporting people who have a life here now. The right thinks it’s going to help their party and it’s a selfish idea.

Again, nothing wrong with wanting these ideas or have these views; they might be needed to make America take the next forward step.

 

[Sardines]

Honest questions here:

Do you think expanding the Supreme Court is an extreme view or do you agree with it? Not extreme. Disagree

Do you think deporting all illegals in America as an extreme view or do you agree with it? Extreme. Disagree

Do you think getting rid of the filibuster is an extreme view or do you agree with it? Not extreme. Disagree.

Do you think pardoning J6 prisoners is an extreme view or do you agree with it? Extreme. Disagree

Do you think getting rid of the electoral college is an extreme view or do you agree with it? Not extreme. Strongly agree.

Do you think having a federal overwatch on speech is an extreme view or do you agree with it? Extreme. Disagree. No one was suggesting this as you present it. Dishonest question.

Do you think a mandatory gun buyback is an extreme view or do you agree with it? Extreme. Disagree. Was not even a remote possibility.

Do you think getting rid of Federal Departments is an extreme view or do you agree with it? Somewhat extreme. Generally disagree

Do you think replacing the income tax with tariffs an extreme view or do you agree with it? Extreme. Extremely stupid. Disagree.


I can say I don’t agree with any of that (I don’t know about the tariffs Enough) and think it’s extreme views on both sides.

I would rather take what we have now and add Doge and clean Government up completely. Make it more transparent.

Also being a far left extremest is not a bad thing, you might take it that way, but maybe extreme bold moves is the correct action to take. But at the same time the Far Right has extreme views and they think those extreme bold ideas are the best actions to take.

The is a lot of separation between the 3 and that’s completely fine.

But saying what MAGA says is untrue is the same way MAGA feels when the left say the same thing to them. When both sides are more extreme.

Do you think expanding the Supreme Court is an extreme view or do you agree with it?

Not extreme. Disagree

Do you think deporting all illegals in America as an extreme view or do you agree with it?

Extreme. Disagree

Do you think getting rid of the filibuster is an extreme view or do you agree with it?

Not extreme. Disagree.

Do you think pardoning J6 prisoners is an extreme view or do you agree with it?

Extreme. Disagree

Do you think getting rid of the electoral college is an extreme view or do you agree with it?

Not extreme. Strongly agree.

Do you think having a federal overwatch on speech is an extreme view or do you agree with it?

Extreme. Disagree. No one was suggesting this as you present it. Dishonest question.

Do you think a mandatory gun buyback is an extreme view or do you agree with it?

Extreme. Disagree. Was not even a remote possibility.

Do you think getting rid of Federal Departments is an extreme view or do you agree with it?

Somewhat extreme. Generally disagree

Do you think replacing the income tax with tariffs an extreme view or do you agree with it?

Extreme. Extremely stupid. Disagree.