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Al-O-Meter said:
He waited because he wanted the prosecutions to influence the 2024 election. AG Garland weaponized the DOJ to influence the 2024 election. All of the things you can say about Trump doesn't make AG Garland less bad. When Trump failed to live up to what Americans expect of their holders of high office, he was removed and prosecuted. AG Garland and a slew of powerful public servants failed to live up to what Americans expect of their holders of high office. It would be poetic justice for all of them to be removed and prosecuted, but I suspect President Trump is going to be the better human in an effort to heal the country.
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Yeah, agree with @str8line, this narrative is delusional. I’m gonna chose to believe you don’t think for one second that Trump is going to be “the better human being”. I don’t believe you’ve been living under a rock for the past 10 years…..In particular, what you’re saying about Garland is originating in your fertile, and misguided, imagination. And nowhere else.

On the other hand, what Trump did, leading up to, and following his 2020 election loss most certainly SHOULD have been an issue in the 2024 election. A former president attempted to prevent a peaceful transfer of power in 2020, committed dereliction of duty on 1/6/21, created a Big Lie to justify his unlawful power grab. And these are not issues? Hahahaha….

Why the above FACTS should not be an issue in the 2024 election, in which an American president who deliberately placed himself above and outside the Law, in 2020, escapes me. And your claim that somehow Garland planned all this in advance, with 2024 in mind, again, originates in your imagination, and fails the “reality test”.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
He waited because he wanted the prosecutions to influence the 2024 election. AG Garland weaponized the DOJ to influence the 2024 election.
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And yet, Garland was too lame in the brain(?), to factor in appeals by Trump, that would not allow the prosecutions to proceed before the 2024 election season. Garland thought: “I’ll wait, until there is not a snowball’s chance in Hades that any trials will precede the 2024 election”. Because, filing earlier, and getting a conviction, that would not influence the 2024 election? Garland did not weaponize the Dept. of Justice against Trump. Trump tried to steal the 2020 election. He should have been held to account, if we cared anything about this nation. Again, History will weigh it all.
 
Sardines said:
My initial reaction was sort of "**** it who cares?" but it was not the right thing to do. I could see a new American tradition where on their way out an administration does a prophylactic series of pardons for their close allies, family and friends to prevent the incoming administration from going after them.
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Im surprised you think there will be another free election in the US.
 
Sardines said:
My initial reaction was sort of "**** it who cares?" but it was not the right thing to do. I could see a new American tradition where on their way out an administration does a prophylactic series of pardons for their close allies, family and friends to prevent the incoming administration from going after them.
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I think that the practice itself is necessary - there are simply cases where the rest of the justice system gets it wrong, or the executive wants to make a change (like when Biden pardoned anyone convicted solely of small federal marijuana crimes). It has ALWAYS been vulnerable to abuse, tho, and it has only been societal/political norms that has kept that abuse as low as it has been. From what I can see, there have only been 3 (now 4) president who have pardoned their relatives - Trump pardoned his son-in-law's father, Clinton pardoned his brother for old crimes, and Lincoln pardoned his sister-in-law, who was married to a Confederate General, as part of the Amnesty and Reconstruction.

And PLENTY of presidents have pardoned their friends on their way out. Maybe Carter didn't, but he's about the only one I can think of. Oh, and Nixon, of course.

But I think it's reasonable for Biden to believe there is a distinct possibility Trump and the MAGA crowd would continue to attack Hunter for no damn good reason. Also, frankly, there's not a lot of point in trying to do the right thing with Trump and his cronies coming in to destroy everything. I guess I'd say he was wrong to do it, but did it for the right reasons.
 
gandalfe said:
I think that the practice itself is necessary - there are simply cases where the rest of the justice system gets it wrong, or the executive wants to make a change (like when Biden pardoned anyone convicted solely of small federal marijuana crimes). It has ALWAYS been vulnerable to abuse, tho, and it has only been societal/political norms that has kept that abuse as low as it has been. From what I can see, there have only been 3 (now 4) president who have pardoned their relatives - Trump pardoned his son-in-law's father, Clinton pardoned his brother for old crimes, and Lincoln pardoned his sister-in-law, who was married to a Confederate General, as part of the Amnesty and Reconstruction.

And PLENTY of presidents have pardoned their friends on their way out. Maybe Carter didn't, but he's about the only one I can think of. Oh, and Nixon, of course.

But I think it's reasonable for Biden to believe there is a distinct possibility Trump and the MAGA crowd would continue to attack Hunter for no damn good reason. Also, frankly, there's not a lot of point in trying to do the right thing with Trump and his cronies coming in to destroy everything. I guess I'd say he was wrong to do it, but did it for the right reasons.
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Carter is probably the only president in 70 years that isn't a criminal.
 
Rubashov said:
Carter is probably the only president in 70 years that isn't a criminal.
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Well, let's look.

Truman (1945-1953)
Eisenhower (1953-1961)
Kennedy (1961-1963)
Johnson (1963-1969)
Nixon (1969-1974)
Ford (1974-1977)
Carter (1977-1981)
Reagan (1981-1989)
Bush (1989-1993)
Clinton (1993-2001)
Bush (2001-2009)
Obama (2009-2017)
Trump (2017-2021)
Biden (2021-2025 (probably))

Carter, maybe not Ford, Eisenhower, and Truman. I feel like Carter, maybe Ford and Obama, possible Eisenhower, were all good PEOPLE, regardless of their criminal acts. (It's entirely possible to be a good person and commit illegal acts, just as it's possible to be horrible but completely legal.)
 
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