Trump has been removed from the Colorado ballot (but not really)

[fishonjazz]

You have too much confidence in people, but I appreciate your optimism.

I don't need confidence. I have actual knowledge instead. I know people who don't vote due to the pointlessness of it. I know people who don't like either candidate from the 2 parties. I know people who would vote for independents! If their votes counted then an independent would get some votes.
That's simple common sense logic and knowledge and fact. I think even you can see it but just want to dig in and not admit that you can see it.

I mean I just told you I would vote 3rd party but don't as it stands today. So that is 100% of a certainty that there would be more 3rd part votes than there currently are
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[FalseFlagg K]

What's the 14th Amendment argument for that?

Mate do you not understand the specific merits of such actions isn’t the point ?? This will open a can of worms for people the other side to justify indulging in *** for tat regardless of the particular merits of what they assert. The legal arguement/interpretation isn’t the point.

The clown hasn’t even been charged in a court of law let alone convicted of insurrection…. So unfortunately the rights/wrongs/facts don’t really matter. It’s a drastic step to take without someone having been convicted and it absolutely does open up the probability of this being used for good or bad purposes.

 

[Deleted member 365]

You can do that, and two states have chosen two. Your elected state officials can decide how the state electoral votes should be divided.

Forgot to mention that the other long debate the Founding Fathers discussed was whether Congress or the people should elect the President. The Electoral College was the compromise. I used to know more nuaunces on this, but it has been 20 years since I studied this stuff.

This was decided in an era where the country ended at the Appalachians, women couldn’t vote, non land owning white men couldn’t vote, and black people were counted as 3/5ths a human being. Perhaps… not everything the founding fathers decided on was wise.

The electoral college is exactly what’s fueling anti democratic populism in this country. The electoral college is actually acting not to preserve but destroy the system we have in place. Without the EC, Trump and other authoritarians like him, wouldn’t have a prayer. Ridding ourselves of the EC would force candidates from both parties to swing more towards the middle.

 

[fishonjazz]

To me the electoral college is like if my boss came to me and said he was buying lunch asked me what I want and I say I want pizza.
And he says ok I have got you down for tacos

Then the next week he asks me again and I say I want philly cheese steak
and he says ok I have got you down for tacos

Then next week he asks me again and I say I want chinese
And he says ok I have you down for tacos.

Eventually im not even going to say what I want anymore.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Oh ye of little faith:

Dan Patrick suggests taking Biden off ballot in Texas

Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick (R) on Tuesday suggested taking President Biden off the ballot in Texas due to his handling of immigration, citing the Colorado Supreme Court’s ruling to kick forme…

thehill.com

This is what’s fueling anti democratic authoritarianism in our country. One side doesn’t think the rules and norms apply to them. Leaving Biden off the ballot is just more childish behavior by a cult led by Donald Trump. Whereas Co leaving Trump off the ballot is the direct result of Trump’s own illegal actions.

If our democracy is to survive then both parties must be committed to upholding the law.

The last 8 years almost have been a repeat of the same nonsense where Donald says/does something awful and the GOP just plays its whatabout game. They could’ve ended him after the access Hollywood tape leaked. They didn’t. They could’ve ended him after he blackmailed Zelensky. They could’ve ended him after Jan 6.

We need to stop blaming Democrats and the handful of principled Republicans for trying to hold Trump accountable. It’s time to recognize that the GOP is an anti-democratic force that sees its only path to success through anti-democratic institutions like the EC and processes like gerrymandering, packing the court with loyalists, flooding the zone with **** propaganda and disinformation, and voter suppression.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

So what if a republican state decides to remove Biden from their ballot because in their eyes he’s been involved in nefarious dealings and benefited from his families dealings with a foreign country ?? Fair or no ??

I'll give you a better example: the BLM riots. There were government buildings that were attacked in the BLM riots and an activist judge would not have to stretch things very far to classify the BLM riots as an insurrection. There are many politicians who spoke publicly in a way that could be seen as supportive of the effort, and with a precedent of speaking being enough to classify a politician as involvement, an activist judge to disqualify hundreds of politicians.

There is zero chance this holds up through the US Supreme Court. This was nothing but destructive. It was bomb throwing. There is nothing good that will come out of the Colorado State Supreme Court decision.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

I'll give you a better example: the BLM riots. There were government buildings that were attacked in the BLM riots and an activist judge would not have to stretch things very far to classify the BLM riots as an insurrection. There are many politicians who spoke publicly in a way that could be seen as supportive of the effort, and with a precedent of speaking being enough to classify a politician as involvement, an activist judge to disqualify hundreds of politicians.

There is zero chance this holds up through the US Supreme Court. This was nothing but destructive. It was bomb throwing. There is nothing good that will come out of the Colorado State Supreme Court decision.

mostly i just think it was such a dumb move .. Trump wasn't going to win that state anyway and all they've done is given him more sympathy to those who think he's being victimised

 

[One Brow]

Mate do you not understand the specific merits of such actions isn’t the point ?? This will open a can of worms for people the other side to justify indulging in *** for tat regardless of the particular merits of what they assert. The legal arguement/interpretation isn’t the point.

Without a legal leg to stand on, this stuff doesn't get far. Witness 60 cases of election fraud and a dead-on-arrival impeachment investigation.

The clown hasn’t even been charged in a court of law

Not that it's relevant, but Trump has been formally charged in the documents case, in Georgia, for election interference, and in DC for insurrection.

let alone convicted of insurrection….

Why is this relevant?

It’s a drastic step to take without someone having been convicted and it absolutely does open up the probability of this being used for good or bad purposes.

If you think Republicans are being held back by some notion of precedent, you have not been paying attention to US politics.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Oh ye of little faith:

Dan Patrick suggests taking Biden off ballot in Texas

Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick (R) on Tuesday suggested taking President Biden off the ballot in Texas due to his handling of immigration, citing the Colorado Supreme Court’s ruling to kick forme…

thehill.com

If Texas is going to do it then California can too!!!!

California Lt. Gov. calls for state to ‘explore every legal option’ to remove Trump from ‘24 ballot

Eleni Kounalakis said California 'must stand on the right side of history' when it comes to removing Trump from the state's ballots

www.foxnews.com

 

[One Brow]

I'll give you a better example: the BLM riots. There were government buildings that were attacked in the BLM riots and an activist judge would not have to stretch things very far to classify the BLM riots as an insurrection.

Outside of CHOP, that would be a pretty big stretch.

There is zero chance this holds up through the US Supreme Court.

Agreed.

This was nothing but destructive. It was bomb throwing.

Exaggeration.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

If you think Republicans are being held back by some notion of precedent, you have not been paying attention to US politics.

i don't believe i said that at all. Neither side has been holding back. My point is the more these unusual legal manoeuvres are utilized the more it's open slather for bad actors to justify using any means they can. That is human nature and the nature of politics.

This was such a dumb move by the people in Colorado Pointless

 

[fishonjazz]

I'll give you a better example: the BLM riots. There were government buildings that were attacked in the BLM riots and an activist judge would not have to stretch things very far to classify the BLM riots as an insurrection. There are many politicians who spoke publicly in a way that could be seen as supportive of the effort, and with a precedent of speaking being enough to classify a politician as involvement, an activist judge to disqualify hundreds of politicians.

There is zero chance this holds up through the US Supreme Court. This was nothing but destructive. It was bomb throwing. There is nothing good that will come out of the Colorado State Supreme Court decision.

Lol at the comparison.
Trump created everything that happened. He put forth the fake electors. He made the phone call asking for votes that didn't exist. He told pence not to count the vote. He told everyone the election was stolen when he knew it wasn't. He held a rally on the exact same day as the count. He told the mob to march and fight. He sat around and did nothing while the attack happened.
If not for Trump, it's a normal election.

BLM riots happened because a cop kneeled on a dudes neck until he died. You want that cops name to be taken off the ballot? I agree. That's you're comparison. Right there.
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